It seems attaining virtue without a spiritual foundation is impossible. If death is it, gone, vanished. Then the only way one lives on is in history books. Unloading a 100 round clip in a theater will accomplish that. If you are not timeless logic could tell you your time is nothing in the scope of physical time so extending your nano second by 50% ain't much. If I am that little it is easy to project that on others. Taking them with no value for their purpose or plan. We are here to learn something to take with us. Something about kindness, compassion and being one.