The socialists would have you believe there are only 2 wings, right and left.  When in fact, right and left are both socialist wings: fascism and communism — both socialist in their party names.

A better ruler would be Liberty vs Authoritarianism, or Individualist vs Collectivist, or Self vs State, Natural Law vs Statutory Rules, Independent vs Dependent, or Responsible vs Not Responsible. Freedom vs Totalitarianism.

Americans have adopted fascism as the de facto power by using corporate power to regulate the attitudes and behavior of the People.  The mark of the beast is required to be given access to society.  I suppose the biggest surprise is how quickly authoritarianism is being embraced and demanded by the populace.  Most Americans support fascism, state and corporate rule, because they are dependent upon those systems for their jobs. 

The power to declare entire classes of people as non-essential is the crime of the century! 

And can only happen in a country that has yielded their rights to an arbitrary authority.

"The burden of proving that the absence of coercion is inexpedient always lies completely on those who wish to abridge the Liberty of others by coercion." 

Pretty much!

Lincoln had a lot of great sayings, this is one of them.  However, once parted, expect the 'wrong' to fight back.  The nation was being torn in two by the international banks that thrive on war and conquest.  Lincoln was trying to keep the Union together — he never stated his intention to be otherwise.  Slavery was a secondary issue, as well as State sovereignty.

So while I do appreciate Lincoln's commitment to saving the Union, the very means of which and ultimate end was not the freeing of the slaves but the servitude of all to the federal State as supreme.  Republican form of government cannot abide by such a reversal of the source of power.

SO what ended up 'winning' was federal statism to ever grow and transform the free republic to de facto authoritarianism in which all are subjects to the State (which incidentally is nothing but a class of other people).

Let's see, the Brown Shirts, the Red Guard, the Revolutionary Guard.  Pick your authoritarian despotism, there are many to choose from.  Does not the Left know who they are?  They may not know, but WE must!

I am a student of comparative religions.  Christianity is relatively new historically — referred to as the New Covenant.  I have yet to find a major religion that was not based on astronomical events, in particular the movements of the Sun, Moon, and stars (the Heavens).  The basis of all human history and organization is founded upon this, as far as we can see back in time.  How long have people been observing the 7 day week?  Each day representing a planet.  What makes a holy day?  Simply a specific astronomical event that occurs on that day.

I'll go even further and assert that the story of Jesus Christ is written in the stars.  The coming of Jesus was 'prophesized' as is common in the field of astrology, which is the study of the metaphysics of the universe.  The birth of Jesus was even announced by the appearance of a star.

Like the many sun gods of the time, the Jesus story is very similar.  If we treat the gospels as allegories used to reveal Truth rather than historical fact, there is a wealth of wisdom to be gleaned from them.  Jesus Christ is real, the lessons are true, but the dogma that has appropriated the Gospels have corrupted the very essence of God's word for the power it can wield over the common people.

The principles of Christianity are the very foundations of the civilized world.  We still have a long way to go, but it has never been better than it is now! 

"Can anyone tell me of a time when people liked their 'government'."

Yes!  We celebrate that every 4th of July!  

Nothing to see here? (!!)  The IRS is used as a bludgeon against its political enemies.  The creation of the IRS was a requirement of the newly formed consortium of private banks, the Federal Reserve, to make interest payments while the US government was in bankruptcy, in order to usher in an interest-bearing fiat currency in exchange for all the gold money in the USA. 

The US is still in receivership to the Fed, and the debt to the Fed with interest exceeds the entire money supply!  The whole IRS is a fraud perpetrated on the American people.  It's only purpose is to indenture a people permanently.  Gold is the only lawful money recognized by the US government, yet, we cannot use it for money.  Why?

Do the math.  Through inflation (creating of money out of thin air), taxes, and interest payments throughout one's lifetime, you will come to the glaring realization that 90% of one's labors have been appropriated by the Fed.  The IRS is the collection agency.  This is servitude.

Nothing to see here, folks.

Spoken like a true authoritarian, ignorant of his arrogance and sense of superiority.  Libertarians are 'responsibilitarians' — they are responsible for their own actions and the consequences of those actions.  If I am not violating another's rights, then there is no violation. 

Look, an authoritarian is someone who wants to use the power of the state to impose their restrictions on others rather than come to a mutual agreement.  They are 'rule-makers' — "New Rule" is their common creed.  And Libertarians ignore those arbitrary rules with no authority to dictate behavior.

Again, an authoritarian is someone who withholds permission for others to do what they have a right to do until they can prove that they can be trusted with such power. ;-)

Dingley, you are an authoritarian.

'Socialist' is 'statist.'  Other than a republican form of government founded upon the natural born rights of man, all other governments are 'statist' which is the supremacy of the state, the people subjects to the dictates of the ruling class.

As for 'lack of order' or 'lack of structure,' where does the authority come from to impose order on others?  You don't understand the American republican government, obviously.  The people are FREE.  They determine the order of their lives.  The government is tasked with administering justice and protecting the individual rights of the people.  

Socialism, communism, fascism, monarchies, the Catholic Church are all statist forms of government playing the role of forever-parent to which all are to be beholden.

As far as how to deal with 'bad' people, it is first the responsibility for the individual to be able to defend oneself from such evil or else perish.  When we form a collective defense of our rights, we form a government, and that government is subject to strict rules and jurisdiction.  

It's quite simple.  In America, the people are sovereign and the government their subject.  In statist governments, the rulers are supreme and the individual a subject of the state.

The US government is very, very powerful now, and there is a never-ending battle from within and without to seize that power.  We have lost a lot of ground in Liberty over the last 100 years, and the US has become more increasingly statist by way of the Commerce Clause which gives the government the power to control corporate fictions.  The government does NOT have the power to control the citizens.  The tactic has become then to expand the jurisdiction of the government by making the people de facto employees of the government and thus subject to their rules.  As well, people are now treated as corporations and corporations are being treated as people.  The end result has been the literal dissolution of the Common Law jurisdiction — there is only one Common Law Court left that I know of, in DC.

So the corruption of the American republican form of government continues to the point that people like Dingley Bell have no idea what America truly is and thus demand from government what they are to provide for themselves.

Well said, Mike.

Just look at how many governors used the ChiCom virus to seize emergency powers "for the good of the People."  With such power, now permission is required to do anything — and the micro management has no end.  They are drunk with power — and loving it.

And that song became a jingle to sell Coca-Cola — "the real thing."  Saving the world, one Coke at a time.

I doubt Waffler was paid — he's a true believer!  Personally, I would like to have more Waffler's on this site.  Their arguments cannot stand up to the light of day, and it is never more obvious when they're no longer in their progressive "bubble."

Right on, Logan!  You've sure got Waffler's number.

We put on the act that best works towards getting what we want.  This is a path to bondage.  The truth will set you free.

That's what a would-be dictator does after getting into power — get rid of his competition.  With a republican form of government, Hitler would not have the power to do so.  Socialism includes communism and fascism, and Hitler hated commies — fascism is much more powerful than communism.

"The sober people of America" are being ruled by politicians drunk with power.

For the same reason people do not seek the truth ...

Thanks, Logan!  This couldn't be clearer and should be taught in American history class (if it is still taught at all).

The 'narrative' is the attempt to rewrite 'history.'  "The science is settled."

Like a deer in the headlights. ;-)

The power to create money out of nothing is the ability to buy the world for nothing and make the people rent it forever.  No one can actually own anything — everything is borrowed with tribute (interest) due.  We rent our lives with our labor.  If we cannot labor, someone else in society will have to pay.  Debts to the central bank are never forgiven, only re-negotiated.  Prices continually rise and savings become worth less.  It is economic slavery, and it is not an accident.

That's why the masses prefer fantasy to reality.  The devil never shows his hand until he has to.  Lies are his currency, and the lust for power is his call.  He knows every trick in the book and uses them masterfully upon the ignorant.  Appropriator of power, lies holding the people in bondage.  Truth is his mortal enemy.  Could it be our very purpose in life to resist and reject the devil's ways, lest we become ensnared?  Is this not the Nature of the world?

LOL!

We now call it 'the narrative.'