Logan would not know an ad hominem argument if it slapped him in the face. While he worships the "founding fathers" uncritically I simply pointed out some truths about their backgrounds and positions of "influence" in colonial and formative American society. The quote is about corporate influence in American life, I humbly suggested that influence started with the Aristocrats. I admire but do not revere to the extent of being uncritical the influential men who gave so much to get our nation started. I also recognize in a free society there will always be men of influence, including their corporations. These should be watched for and countered by the populace at large. If you want to read something that has been doing a tremendous job recently read THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER, what the hell it exposed the hypocrisy of Jonathan Edwards. I would be the last one to say something nice about that rag but there you have it the Edwards expose. Evidence that much of the press should be lauded not ridiculed or pilloried.

I don't know what the hell the collective is. No one I know talks that way. I still think you are a misanthrope, what with your setting yourself up as if you are somehow not of the masses or I guess that is what you call the collective. If I walked down one of your New York Steets and passed you along with 10,000 others you are just as much one of the masses or collective as any one else. Your setting yourself up not to be so is your show of arrogance. I will not hold you to the fact that you called your self a swine. I will just chalk it up to the fact that you don't know what you are saying at any given moment. At the same time you made my day by calling my thoughts "pearls" and I totally agree with you. HaHA. I do enjoy expressing myself in writing and I guess in coversation. As far as being indivualistic I am, I do a lot of backpacking, and boating alone, I am desirous in getting a sailboat where I can sail the intracoastal waterway from Florida to Texas etcetera. So I don't run with the collective or the masses if that is what you think. But just because someone can live in the high moutains Sierra Nevada where my father lived does not mean he must have disdain for the masses in LA for example, and I use to tell him so.