“So far as discipline is concerned, freedom means not its absence but the use of higher and more rational forms as contrasted with those that are lower or less rational.”

I agree. And, when the less rational becomes the norm, as exemplified by the statist theocracy that infests this nation (the Bushers, Obamunist with his czars and stars, etc.) self discipline is replaced by external force. As to the higher and more rational forms of discipline, "It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from his government." (Thomas Paine)

Individual Freedom couple with Personal Responsibility for one's actions automatically leads to a higher morality and higher discipline. Especially if we had an actual Justice System.

I love that Thomas Paine quote. Thanks Mike.

"Freedom is the absence of leguislation"--Merrill Jenkins, Monetary Realist (1919-1979) author of "Money", The Greatest Hoax on Earth and 6 other books, He invented the dollar bill changer, erroneously called "currency changer" when the only currencty we ever had was gold and silver coins., The "Hoax" is out of print but there are a few copies for sale at: Liberty Books Box 22431 St. Louis MO 63126

There is a significant difference between self-discipline and forced obedience...