“If you have built castles in the air, your work need not be lost; that is where they should be. Now put foundations under them.”

we all have dreams, so build on them

great stuff, a lot of analogies can be draw from that.

Have a wonderful New Year and may your dreams come true, Robert

Whatever the mind can dream it can create. And collectively (sorry for the lousey word) societies can create a wonderful world and a great environment. Dreaming totally alone in this overpopulated world just is not practical much anymore.

Waffler, your schizophrenic duality is showing again. The creating mind is of the individual. Societies are intangible abstracts that can create nothing. Individuals and, individuals united with other individuals can create. If the individual stops dreaming, there will be no dreams. Can we use a picture of you on a poster in favor of retro-active birth control? That would be a good start on eliminating the despotic from your perceived overpopulation. Happy New Year !

The quote is hardly a call to collectivism -- quite the opposite. Liberty and Justice for all is still that castle in the air needing a solid foundation. It is an idea still worth dreaming about.

Mike think for a minute think! Your concept of United Individuals and my word of society is simply and absolutely the same thing. There are for example clean water societies, save the planet societies etcetera or United Individuals as you would have it. Your penchant for disunion, disharmony, desire for conflict and apparent armageddon of the individual against the rest or vice a versa the rest against the individual just does not have to be. Stop thinking in black and white my friend and you will be FREE and for once at LIBERTY to think and express yourself more elegantly.