“Government has no other end than the preservation of property.”

Interesting notion -- my body is my property, my rights are my property, my signature, my word, my mind, my name, all are my property, my life, my liberty are my property... I would say it is government's purpose to protect my rights and freedom. But not all 'claims' to 'property' (i.e. "hey, you, that's mine") are true and thus not to be 'protected.' Nor is it government's purpose to protect me from myself.

Said well Archer, further: my servant representative can not tell me what I can do with my property as long as it does not interfere with other's property.

Stretching Archer... the quote makes no use of the word claim. The main purpose of government is to protect us from external violence, which usually aimed at our property. Among your rights are property rights which the government is charged to protect from both internal and external threat. Private property ownership is the foundation of our concept of freedom.

Why do I find that on the contrary my private property is an albatross around my neck. Grass cuttin', paintin' blah blah blah. The onliest time I feel free is when I am away from it on the open road or sea. I don't fully understand the nexus of property ownership and freedom. I think property ownership and wealth gives us power, power over our lives and potentially over the lives of others. Maybe wealth is a source of freedom but wealth and property are matters of degree. There are wealthy people in the poorest countries. Not wealthy like Americans but wealthy compared to those around them. Socrates said however "Wealth is not owning things it is the ability to use things." I never feel wealthier or freer and I repeat myself but on the top of a mountain or in a National Forest and yet I don't own an inch of it. What is the saying "the best things in life are free." Hope you are all well this evening. Mike if by servant representative you are referring to elected legislators I am confused by that phraseology. They do not take direct commands from you which the word "servant" would seem to suggest.

lol Bruce, you caught me. Neither servant or representative take (or should take) personal direction from me. It was simply redundancy for effect.

Pretty limp quote. Preservation of a system of government that protects property from outside forces, yes. But not to protect property from it's owner. That just gives the Government a claim to everything. Hey, wait a minute!! They DO claim just that these days if you own something that they want!!! Silly me.

This is the Republican philosophy baldly stated. They see the role of goverment is to help the wealthy hang onto their wealth, (or increase it), period. It is an elitist sentiment.

We think our money is OUR property, but it says on it "Federal Reserve Note" which means it is the property of the federal government. Burn one of these notes in front of an official and see if you don't get arrested.

Perhaps the quote would better read, "government should have no other end than the preservation of property". Our government seems bound and determined to confiscate as much private property as possible.

Thankfully our founders understood that there is much more to preserve than material things... though perhaps that had something to do with the fact that many of them were filthy rich: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealthy_historical_figures_2008

This is hard to rate. I agree and disagree. I like the stay outa my business part of the statement. If you read it to mean that Property can be a lot of things other than the physical, it works well.

The quote comes close. Government is in place to protect rights (not grant them) and one of those rights is the right to property. The right from which all moral law is derived.

Try not paying your property taxes and then see who owns property - I'm always reminded when I read stuff like this of the Whistling road sweeper. Good one Bruce. Property is just another shackle, another encumbrance, another debt - in the end its dust to dust. As Peter Hawkien remarked, 'In a millisecond, our body has undergone ten times more processes than there are stars in the universe.'

With the death of allodial freehold (politically and within the social thought), Locke's statement is completely misunderstood...

"Try not paying your property taxes and then see who owns property"....Exactly Right. Which one of the major symptoms of why the whole system is inherently evil in its present form. How can you possibly have a system of justice without property rights? You can't...but you can have a system of "Laws."

Any system that doesn't allow for property free-and-clear is no system that has de jure "law".

I think this is right and our government has gone way beyond this.

The freedom then of Man and the liberty to act according to their own will is grounded on the having reason which is able to intruct them on the laws they have to govern themselves by and make them know with how much are they left to the freedom of their own will. John Locke

Twenty faults are sooner to be forgiven than the strainning of truth to cover anyone by an excuse. John Locke.

For laws are of no force without penalties, and penalties are absolutely in this case impertinent as they are not proper to convince the mind. John Locke.

The true remedy of force without authority is to oppose to it, the use of force without authority put him that uses in the state of war and regarded as the aggressor, and renders him liable to be treated accordingly. John Locke

Those who by any injustice offended will seldom fail where they are able by force to make good their injustice. John Locke

Is it true that the reason the term property was not put into the declaration of independance was due to the desire to avoid giving too much creedance to a slave being protected "property"??

America used to be a nation in which the common man could own land free and clear from any claim by government to tax it or confiscate it; it made the USA unique in nearly all the world. 

Land patents were issued granting title in allodium — like what the King would give his generals that conquered foreign lands.  Land patents are no longer paid any attention to since the introduction of fiat currency because we do not actually pay for anything with it, merely transfer the obligation of the note to another. 

But there are those that still have their land patents, and they know who they are.  Their land cannot be taxed.  Look it up.  The Bureau of Land Management used to issue land patents and update them when property ownership was transferred.  Now we have duplicated the British system yet again, in which the people are serfs on their own land — don't pay the tax, and the government can seize your property.  Why? Because you don't have the land patent.  Who does?  Good question, but every square inch of land in the USA was patented when each state joined the Union.  Somebody has the land patent, and the US government was prohibited from owning the land, only individual persons could own land, AND it was what made them  'electors' and the only ones whose votes were to be counted for Governor or President.

My governmental department is here to preserve the human spirit.  If the toys gotta go, the toys gotta go. Humanity is the priority.  Humanity is not present for the preservation for the materials, the materials are present for the preservation of humanity.  The immature must be made to be clear on this very important defining point.