And they do own it today through international financial transactions selling our country to foreign powers and the lock on our economy with debt money and perpetual debt.

Yep, smaller government.

It's not the government that has the tendency, it's men that control government that abuse its powers by the evil within them.

I hear that.

Being rich is not the problem if done with good honest hard work, It is the greed for more where the problem is and this is what leads to man's temptation to steal it by laws they create and call them legal. The love of money is the root of all evil and when that love is satisfied power is the next lustful satisfaction they seek.

True, and the tyrants are pushing their injustice pretty damn hard today aren't they?

Very well said Mike. Waffler, where did you get the figures for for the 300 billion claim. Is there a site somewhere that tracks those that don't pay their taxes properly? Who are they and are any of them in prison yet? Such criminals should be locked away, yes? If not, I'm sure the IRS would hire such as yourself to teach people like that to pay their taxes properly so we can layoff the IRS. You sure bring out the patriotism in me Waffler. I think I'll give the IRS more money so we can lay them off faster.

And how would you propose we pay it off?

Do you really believe the debt payment enforcement arm of the international loan sharks would be laid off? LMAO. Hayek mentioned the threat to liberty by these people. The reason they are needed is because the banking elite have finally trapped us in the pepetual debt to them syndrome. In order for people to get something to spend on their loaf of bread the government and people must borrow it to get something to spend into circulation. Utter dependence on a government that gives lip service to the rights and freedom of individuals in America. LMAO.

Yes, racial harmony is now flourishing in America. I'm sure Obama will, by his inspiration, continue this beautiful vision you portray as it was all for the better of free society and racial harmony is the greatest evidence of that in America today. Go tell that to the brainwashed minorities. Show them where they are better off. Prove it to them because they're the ones who need to know it.

Lincolns' decision to abrogate States rights by not allowing a sucession may have kept the union together by force, but he was the first President to unconstitutionally undermine the spirit of voluntary agreement to abide by the Constitution and marked the end of free and independant States. This is regardless of how one feels about the atrocities of slavery. But since they enter in at some point anyway, How does it feel to be a slave to perpetual debt?

Just like deer frozen in the headlights of an oncoming 2 ton auto.

Is this America he's describing here? With just a bit of editing it would be. The foresight is amazing. Foresight nor hindsight exists in our administration today. It's all the here and now. They want it here and they want it now. World government I mean.

Thanks Mike and Archer. Now I sense the arrogance behind the statement.

What are morals but made up criteria for "acceptable" interaction. Think, who defined what was acceptable? What gave them the right to decide your mind for you?

Those that ridicule the truth knowingly, do it because they are afraid to admit the truth, the same is true for those who see it and choose to look away and hope for the best. The saddest and most dangerous ones are the ones who don't see it, and yet ridicule. In total ignorance of natural law cause and effect they continue to kill themselves and us first thus society next. Ignorance is our downfall. That's what we, all Americans, get for trying to fool mother nature as regards the laws of nature. We don't live by them politically so the inevitible course of natures' exaction of punishment, or unbiased judgement, we pay for it. The further we get away from and the less we use these self evident truths in our political system the more harm we do to ourselves and the further society drifts from the truth of nature and the closer we get to disruptions in or lives. Disruptions can be civil unrest and of course chaos depending on the particular circumstances of the nation at a particular time. We, America, have just begun to pay for trying to fool mother nature for too long.

I'm not sure what he means by "no alternative." Anybody help me out?

Obviously that motion failed. It IS the right thing to do but modern man just doesn't want to do the right thing anymore. They are convinced what they ARE doing IS the right thing to do. The result, the "civilized" (LoL) society they asked for. Nice, isn't it?

Anonymous, Reston. The first part of your statement is straight out of the mouth of Karl Marx. The equivalent of the money changers today are the Elite bankers who you owe your life to. They have stolen your life with the chains of perpetual debt and may they rest lightly. Bastiat is "the" man.

Notice how "trapped" everyone is in the system. Is there a way out? Not yet. I give it 3 stars for pointing out the trap, but I don't agree with the conclusion that we're done for. I believe that if the system collapsed tomorrow the sooner we would be back to natural free association again helping each other to survive and provide for mankind before tyrannical government decided to take over from us.

... benefit of my life, and by doing so, help to show others how they are committing suicide by diving into or being pulled into a one world government based on perpetual debt which history proves without a doubt does not work because it does not respect natural laws of economy and is just a tool of men to control the destiny of the world instead of letting nature take its course to determine destiny. The nature of every individual to be free, limited only by harm to another by laws of punishment under the principles that respect the rights of 'every' one, protecting the common freedom shared by all, and recognizing when we or 'others' don't do that and punish us/them for it, is the way to go and make one's 'life' by nature meant to be, free again. Enough, one can say much more as time still allows, but I feel I've caused you enough boredom with my fairy tales would not want you to suffer more. Condemn my fear-mongering as I do too, as I willfully admit the error of my ways. I have many passions, but what is passion but a zest for life as it should be -- free. To be honest, Waffler, I think you may have prematurely offered your thanks because all I meant by my words was it is a fact that you are 'consistent' and by 'giving you that' was the measure of respect I have, not for your right to life and to be who you are, but for the position you take I know is not good for me or anyone else including you. My respect for your right to life is a given - I accept within the limitations of just laws of punishment for violating mine. Since we are both in the same boat, and you are happy about it and I am not and that is our difference, I say it makes no difference if we agree on anything or not since it will change nothing. But I will never stop trying in that it is one of my passions to reach agreement with men of their passion as that is the birth of peace on earth. If it can't be found well... sit back and enjoy history of a new magnitude never before seen on earth that you and others asked for. I, like you, are just along for the ride, but I know there is a silver lining to every cloud, and I am ready to weather the storm as capably able as I can be. The rest of destiny is in the hands of men for now, but, like all creations of men, they cannot stand the test of time.

Waffler, do you value your life and your right to it? I value mine. What value do you place on yours? Mine is priceless. I think yours is too. The difference between us is that you accept the economical, what I call slavery and you don't, system of perpetual debt. With your freely given consent you say 'yes' to the system. You are free to do so. Will you tell me that I am not as free as you to say 'no,' as you are to say 'yes,' and therefore not free to live my life the way I want, so as to do what I THINK is best for me, the same as you do to live your life the way you want, based upon what you THINK is best for you? If you were to say 'no,' would you say you have the right to say it and then, the right to freely act upon your choice, so long as you don't infringe on another's right to say 'yes' and act upon their choice? You see, I am just as trapped as you are in a world society with a world economic system, and both of us have the right to say 'yes' and act, but neither of us have the right to say 'no' and act. We do have rights' but they are no longer protected by the Constitution as well as they once were as the truth of the above is what it is, the truth. It can't be changed in time to save our Constitution and Country as we once knew it. The value of life meant everything then' and everything else was secondary and valued less than the cost of a life, IF, the majority of individuals continued to value life as priceless. It, as HISTORY proves, is inevitable that a bigger collapse will come eventually, naturally, or by the works of men. The only way out, to say 'no' and act or exercise our freedom of choice, is no longer available to us so one must, as infallible facts of history prove, be prepared to ride out the coming storm, so to speak. Call it fear-mongering if you choose, but that is exactly what our rulers are doing to get the reaffirmation of their power passed, and, yes, I admit I am doing the same. But at the least I am pointing out the truth of WHAT we really should be afraid of rather than the falsities our government points out and says THEY are what we really should be afraid of. I despise fear-mongering and consider it immoral, but if I have to sin because I am forced to sin, I choose to sin for the...

God save America because the people through their government can't get it done with all the roadblocks put up to assist in aid of escaping accountability to anyone. the people. The fed has no accountability to the government and the government has no accountability to the people. The people feel no accountibility to any one but themselves so what we have is a partially controlled anarchy and the controllers are the plutocracy and it is a distinct possibility that it could all fall apart in their "hands" resulting in total anarchy. If this happens then will be the time to..ahem...restore order.

Waffler is consistent I'll give him that. Archer said; "Our liberty is only compromised by the promises we make -- i.e. we are bound to keep our word or face the consequences as per our agreements. Our lack of honor is the only real enemy," This is also true as relates to the intent of our Constitution. Put this way the only real crime one can commit is to violate the rights of another. To stay out of jail meant don't violate the rights of another and individuals were taken in good faith that they would not. Common, moral trust in men of honor, who WERE moral, required only the laws punishable for violating rights and this is what made for the most freedom with the minimum restrictions on that freedom i.e. the laws punishing for the violation of anothers' rights. The gold/silver coin or the promissory notes promising to convert back into gold/silver coin kept the money and therefore men honest in their free enterprise economic system. One of our forefathers said the Constitution was for a moral religious people and the truth of those words is profound. I remember that no one (for the most part) locked their doors and in some places food was left on one's table for the weary traveler. It's plain to see how far we've traveled in the other direction from common trust to common distrust in our society. It is also very true that the nature of government reflects the nature of the people in control of it. The blame for this sad state of affairs is foremost with the individual him/herself for accepting the loss of rights in favor of a cut of the pie government and banking have appropriated from us to begin with. Since they took what we had man, now, because of the debt, future labor is owed, leading us into a perpetual debt machine that can only save itself by continuing the process which is why our government must borrow, just as we must, to fuel it, to keep it alive. By simple math one can see the debt has to grow and can never be paid off hence the fear mongering of present day government to sign the bailouts. Why the hesitation? Because we are trapped in new terrain where it's just possible the debt is getting too big too fast to keep control of and whether it was planned or by mistake, it does clearly expose the fact that from now on we will always have to go to the bankers of the world to get our wealth; paper, plastic and digital money, which, represents what we are allowed to keep to keep us happy and by being careful not to collect interest too fast or the peoples wealth that disappears would attract notice to what is going on. Well it has. If the bailouts pass everyone in government knows they/we, ARE accepting once again, if not forever, and by consent, the absolute control of our lives for the foreseeable future. Never in the history of mankind have so few men had so much power in the world. A lesson history teaches, if we have eyes that see, is that we are witnessing a historical time unique to ANY other time in history and it is fact that either we choose with consent to agree with the central world power of elitists and their power to rule or to refuse to consent. Common sense truth points out the best answer to remain free would be to deny it the power to carry on and move our debt into the universal one world debt pool. Not in name of course, that would be too obvious, but in essence and unfortunately for us, in reality. Mr. Obama certainly said it right when he said if we don't pass the bailout bill our economy would collapse. In my opinion the sooner it collapses the sooner man might begin the long journey back to freedom. Sorry this was so long but so much knowledge has been lost and truths covered up it needs to be said. Thanks for the use of your property... your thoughts.

That is an understatement. In some cases they do much more than denounce.