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The Founders were Liberals and some didn't know it! Read McGovern's book "The Essential America" America was founded on Liberal traditions. This book is one of many...

Mike, Hitler, though anti Marxist was an admire of Marx - his megalomania obviously didn't want to to praise another leader. At that time the only true socialist state. Mussolini was way down the line... Mussolini was what the world knows Fascism - its his baby. Being a Catholic he allowed the Vatican to have their own sovereignty. The only connection Hitler had with Mussolini is one of circumstances. Socialism is not about taking from the wealthy - you have read to many comics. Socialism is about the left side of Liberalism.

Howard you obviously don't like reading books - your interpretation of my post is interesting...

Archer, thank you for taking the time to write an excellent response - tell me, so I know where you are coming from, what are your politics? and who is your hero. Though I do make a distinction between the ruling class and thugs; the ruling class may be corporate thugs but they don't use violence themselves they hire thugs to do that - the trouble and danger is those thugs who are for hire are not caring one way or the other with regards to politics or corporate manipulation - look at the recent town hall fiascoes - you won't get Rupert Murdoch at one of those.

See what Bush Sr said re NWO

Eric (the Editor). you must get a kick out of this... even Hitler gets it wrong and everyone follows like sheep. I'm tired of explaining the difference between socialism, fascism, liberalism, communism, and all the other ism's. Our present path is so much to the right its a joke, listening to all the scaremongers threatening socialist take-over has to be so laughable. We are so dumb we can't see the reality of it all. Sometime ago Archer said ...the American is Liberty, not 'capitalism' or 'democracy'. Well, just look around you and tell me if we are practicing what we preach. Capital is manufactured and that's what got us into this mess in the first place. We all love to label people and their thoughts without any concern that we are all members of one human race - I quite understand why aliens have never paid us a visit, they take one look at our stupidity towards each other and skedaddle back to where they came from saying 'lets wait another 1000 years' before we make first contact! The last thing the CFR is made up of is liberals and socialists - just look at its membership. And, as they are the ruling class your statement with regard to a socialist take over is crap. If anything, there will be riots in the streets between the progressives and the fascists - and for Fascist's read, Christian right wing fanatics/fundamentalist's, red-neck and conservative nationalist's, the middle to right Republican's, and thugs for (Brown-shirst or what ever you want to call them, who can so easily be manipulate through lies, propaganda and deceit). The military and the media will be on orders from CFR and other Institutions - so, the key here is to see what side CFR and the other Institutions will favor, my guess, it will not be the progressive's. The last thing the NWO will be run by is socialists - are you all so blind? The only way there will be a socialist take over is if the people take to the streets demand their country back - Obama is so far to the right its amazing how gullible we are - perhaps if we turn off Fox News and didn't listen to Limbaugh and his cohorts we may get some honesty into our lives. The Russian and French revolutions were people (who had been totally enslaved) taking their country back from the ruling class. America's ruling class will not commit that same mistake, instead they will rally dumb, ignorant, and fanatical Americans and spread lies via their media and paid whores and use that time old trick which evil people do of blaming the dissenter's for exactly what they themselves are responsible for - its called projectionism. America is at a cross roads and depending upon it's decision the path to our future - may be one of total enslavement, barbarism, and fundamentalism; or, it will be one on the road to recovery and eventual enlightenment - the choice is yours. Today, America is a very corrupt society doing what they accuse others of doing; our legislators and government officials are bought and paid for by corporate America - one recent example is Bill Nelson, US senator for Florida, who on the campaign trail said he would support a public health option but when it came time to vote he voted against it. Then you look at the money he received from the medical industry and you will quickly see who he really represents. If America is to move forward the people must demand campaign reform - no more brown paper bags, no more expensive trips paid by lobbyists, no more funding by ANYONE individual and corporations except for a government allowance which each candidate will have access too - the higher up the ladder you get the more allowance you get. Until we stop corporations running America we will slide inevitably into the quagmire and may never be able to pull ourselves out. America was founded by the people taking over their country from the British ruling class - I wonder if that is the road we take while pondering at the crossroads. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y1d03x2oJQ&feature=related

Archer, I sent a reply re, CFR P.s. good comments Terry

Archer, Sorry for the delay getting my reply out - I had to write a 10 page document about Health Care Reform and finish building my fortress.

Archer, thank you for a list of dates, names, and organizations. I'm afraid that's all you provide, I thought when I started to read your post I would actually learn something, but alas it was just another retort full of facts without substance. You assertions with regard to world orders is totally contrary to actuality. In fact over the last 100 years there has been a shift towards isolation by many former giants of geographical tera firma have had their spoils divided. Economically you may have a point as there is today a global economy but again it had little to do with CFR, the Round Table, or even the Federal Reserve. Global economy had more to do with Insurance and the need to spread risk. If any one has a conspiracy theory I believe it is you. LOL you tell me on one hand to google CFR I do and then you go about criticizing my action -- there's name for that. Your retort was good in as much it provided a lot of detail but alas it had no rear substance. What you could have said is because of these institutions America and Great Britain have become themselves despots and responsible for the take-over of democratically elected governments. If America had not interfered with Iran and Afghanistan the problems we now face would not have arisen and Iran would be a secular state. Instead America is responsible for Iran, Afghanistan, and Iraq becoming fundamentalist Muslims. Before I forget you made the assumption that I support CFR activities which is of course without reason as I did not express any support or agreement with their policies, all I did was to reprint their mission statement which is usually a good indication of their intention -- what they in reality do is a different matter and that of course you or I are not privy too. Don't worry we all know about their quest for globalization and a world monetary system, their experiments with fear, how they funneled the bail-out money to their members, pushing through more NAFTA, open borders, total control of the media including Disney/AOL/Time Warner, the NAU, the SAIS, and interfering with other states sovereignty -- this is just a partial list of tricks. By the way, you probably got the membership "only 3000" off the CFR roster when in fact they have over 4200 total members and that was the count end of 2006. And you don't have to be invited (that's what they say) -- your station in the political and corporate world determines your membership. In a nutshell, the CFR wants to institutionalize the world -- they are after all the ruling establishment. Unless the ruling class becomes compassionate and forgets the quest for world dominance, the other class, the ruling thugs, will have their way, and back to the caves it will be. You better start stocking up on candles and matches. I'm not sure what would be better, a nice warm prison cell with three meals a day or a dark and damp cave.

Natural Law is theory and only use in discussions because a few associated nature with God - and that dear Mike is a myth and religious humbug. Though I am a Atheist I would never presume Atheism is responsible for any natural or earthly phenomena. I believe it the height of arrogance to assume that God is responsible for anything considering all the death and misery that his followers have provided humanity. I'm not saying that Christians are bad people it's just that many seem to be evil. I understand evil people being evil butnot those who are meant to be good.

Mike, you don't need to explain your actions

Mike, what absolute bull - Christian societies and organizations are responsible for the death of millions. Please read your history books.

So Archer give us your scoop on the 911 conspiracy. And while you are at it perhaps "Northwood" too

Super! but don't tell anyone you were an Atheist otherwise they may take your stars away - don't worry, I wont touch mine. This one of his many religious quotes: 'The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not" and his other absolute quote: 'Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power.'

No further comment seems necessary - so, tell me who your heroes are (alive hopefully). Was Carlin right? for a socialist and atheist he was close to the mark.

He's not telling us anything we didn't already know.

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Mike, there are many, and the Family is one of them. Oh yes, and how about the Bush's and Ford befriending the Third Reich - I know of no Atheist groups perhaps Mike you could enlighten me.

Just look at what we have done to democratically elected governments - who are the terrorists in this case?

Terrorism has always been a ploy especially once the iron curtain dropped - we needed another bogeyman to take our attention away from the real intent.

Perhaps someone could send me their manifesto before I comment. And what was in between the ...is ...?

Why did he leave out Christianity - why just Zionism - Zionism in 57 was important as Israel needed support. So, perhaps his comment was more to do with the fervor of the time.

How about banks in America supporting Hitlers rise to fame and other right-wing dictatorships - the list goes on and on and on and the rhetoric is very tiring.

Mike, Jim and Roy, Obama and the current administration has nothing to do with it - when will you understand we are not being governed by our President?