This is a lousy quote. And so what. Bush is doing the same thing right now. He is trying to get concealed carry into National Parks and probably Disneyworld. Why don't you guys respond to my suggestion of the other day that we require all persons over the age of 18 to carry a handgun on their hip. Thus no one has to walk around being intimidated by criminals or by sneaky concealed weapons types.

Jim my friend The Constitution establishes three brancehs of government etcetera. What exactly do you think the constitution is? (Excuse my construction.) The constitution is all about how soceity, the colonies shall arrange and govern themselves. The Constitution is the government. Jim is it not true as Dan stated above that many believe that guns and the militia is for protecting people from government. Okay in his opinion just from corrupt and power seeking government but that is a value judgement on the indiviuals part. Government has always been corrupt and power seeking according to many. The Constitution is the law of the land, it is how we do busniness. It can be amended. As you probably know Jim if you initiate an unprovcated attack and punch some one in the mouth you very well could go to jail. So under what logic can you attach with guns or otherwise anyone. You confuse Jim what is the difference in your phrase "attack the government by force" and Dan's "protect itself from a corrupt and power seeking governmemt". You are saying that you may attack government by force if you believe that it is corrupt and power seeking. The terrorists believe that now and have already attacked. You may believe it tomorrow and then attack. Why are not the gun owners who beleive in this right to attack just another fifth column movement like the terrorist around us. Logan the Constitution appoints the Federal Government in the person of the President as Commander In Chief of all military forces including the unorganized militia to which all males between the age of 17 and 45 belong. That sounds like a contract to me. I am sure many young men do not even know that they are in the unorganized militia.

This is a lousy quote. It borders on hearsay. It is not a quote from Clinton.

Sounds like what we do at tax time. Would be nice to know more of the context, whether he was complaining about the bending or bragging about it. Since it is unclear I will not rate it.

Think for a minute Dan. Under law, the Constitution, there is no provision that allows one to attack the governmnet by force. That is what the Constitution is a body of law. People who operate within a body of law talk things out and sue etcetera. We do have a right to self-defense but not a right to initiate an attack against anyone or any organization, city, state, or federal government. If you do attack government and manage to win then you have overturned The Constitution and will be in a position to write a new one You will have successfully committed treason against the old and be in a position to start anew. The colonies attack upon the Crown (England) was not legal or allowed under law but was justified by the Colonists under some higher law, God, or natural right to freedom. If a person or group wishes to attack the government it will find no justification or right to do so in the Constitution but must look to some higher authority. John Brown did so, but he lost and was hung as a traitor. Because we do not have this right, under our Constitution, it stands to reason, it seems to me, that , society, government would not permit citizens to arm themselves to the extent that they could act outside of the law to overthrow it,. So while I might agree with you for feeling at times frustrated or with wanting like others to take the law into our own hands I do not agree that you will find any support in the Cosntitution to do so. You might find support in The Delaration for it declares "When in th course of human events" etc. and thus authorizes rebellion based on a higher authority. The Delaration gave us rebellion and independence. The Constitution purports to have given us unity and domestic tranquility. If you want to attack the government, The Constitution, you must make a new Declaration of Independence from it. Good luck!

I have no cause Archer except honesty. As for you your cause it is treason. You are all for the Constitution until you hear and realize that the Constituion is about and for Union, Domestic tranquility, one Commander In Chief over all the military including the Unorganized Milita then you are against the Constituion. You are a misanthrope and sorry excuse for a humman being.Archer and a traitor along with your buddies Logan and Mike. But worse than being a traitor you are an intellectual fraud.

If we all carried a pistol or a revolver on our hip every day every where then would the gun lobby be happy. And would we not all be equal. Shoudl we go around wondering as to who is a criminal and who is a concealed carry guy. We would all be equal with a gun at our side. No intimdation all equal.

I have guns Jimmy. It is not that big of a deal. I don't flaunt them in front of people or brag about them. And it is not what makes me who I am.

Lets all get on the open carry bandwagon, go to opencarry.org. You wonder about these people, apparently they never read history. We had open carry in the wild west and the folks out there got rid of it, made people check their guns at the sheriffs office or outside of the saloon. Now these guys (the open carry ones) want us to go back to the wild west days. Will we ever learn. I figure if we all go to open carry as soon as possible the backlash will set in and we will get back to common sense once again. Lets face these gun nuts have never heard about the word discreet. We all have guns lets just keep quiet about it.

Todays News: Gun nuts trying to end National Park policies about keeping guns and ammo locked up. Last week the NRA was trying to get employees to carry guns into Disneyworld. We got to stop the NRA, it is crazy. It rather then Handguns Control, Inc. will cause people to turn against handguns. Why don't they just shut up.

Paul proves Obama's point about the way that some people cling to their guns. He thinks that for Cubans not owning guns is everything. The NRA and some radicals think gun ownership is everything. They are both wrong.

I bet there will be a lot of new licensed collectors and sporting clubs.

The man did not know history. The left week came into existence over fifty years before Marx, so it may be fair to say Marx was a left winger but not vice a versa. As we all know the left wing is simply the people and the right wing is simply the nobility.

I have called you a traitor in the past Archer and tonight you admitted it and agreed. You have shown your true colors. You praise the constituion and the founders when it suits your warped purposes. When the clear statement of the constitution is presented to you, that we have one Commander in Chief which of course is part of the overriding purpose of the constitution "to provide a more perfect union" you say "I will have none of it." Thanks for coming out for us and admitting to your traitorious heart. Many of us knew it all along.

"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states". I have no time to research it now but I believe that the National Guard law somehow changed this to say that they report to the President first and the Governor second. We don't want your kind Archer. A man who attacks authority in order to feel that he is an individual isn't the individual he thinks he is.

Archer you must have short term memory loss (Alzheimers). Some on this site I think you, Mike or Logan assert that the right to own weapons (any weapons) is prtected by the 2d Amend. Any weapon is any weapon. Scalia addressed this with his phrase "bearable arms". Are tanks bearable arms? You are wrong about what you think about Title 10 The General Military Law of the United States. All military reports ultimately to the Commander In Chief and thus to the people. There is no provisions for private armies or state armies and damn sure none have ever been appointed to take on Executive or Congressional forces. You smoking something exotic again. If you check your history of the mid-sixties you will recall that an Alabama Governor tried to take on the President militarily and lost. Thank God we are united and in harmony in this land of the free and home of the brave and that we have a seamless military.

Mr. Kemp we are the government and we are the militia and we have a Commander In Chief. All males between 17 and 45 are members of some unit of the military (1) active service and its' reserves (2) National Guard (3) the unorganized militia. So none of these folks who report to the Commander In Chief have any rights to take up arms against him, the governmnet or the people. Taking up arms against him must be left to the rest of us over the age of 45. Thus any insurrection will be a generational conflict. Sons and daughters against fathers and grandfathers. Read Title 10, Subtitle A General Military Law of the United States. The American Revolution was not just about individual revolt and rights, it was about the birth of a Nation. In fact it was the loose nit ragtag Americans that the British felt they would easily defeat. It took Washington, Von Steuben etcetera to make an organzied fighting force out of them. The military law of the United States builds upon the need of organization of all for defense. Many praise Switzerland well this law shows that we have the same thing here.

Ron Scalia said "some think the Amendment is outmoded. That perhaps is debatable." Then he said and rightfully so that the Courts hands are tied. Even if the Supreme Court wanted to overturn the Amendment they could not. But the debatable part is what I am interested in. Ealier Scalia emphasised the idea of bearable arms. Some on this site things individuals should have a right to owning any and every weapon they choose, from tanks to nukes to I guess warships. Now are those bearable arms. If you think so and the law agrees then I think it is time for a Constitutional Amendment. I take your first remark as a compliment. I don't think I am distorting at all. I do think I understand the full meaning of freedom. For me it means to be able to think outside of the box, unlike many.

I think we should discuss the word "bearable". Some here think individuals should have nukes. I guess they are bearable in a suitcase so they are okay also. But obviously personal tanks, warships etcetera are out.

I liked Scalia on this decision. He was wise to leave the 2d Amendment open to questions of being outmoded and ripe for possible debate. If it is being interpreted to mean that it includes the right to have Nukes then we need to debate it real fast and change it. Again remember all weapons and all members of the militia orgainized (National Guard) and unorgainzed (all the rest of us) report to the Commander In Chief. It would appear that the Commander In Chief could have some say on what weapons we have and how we may use them.

What the hell that is how he got there so he should know. It is a fact of life that the constitution and all legal argument is a social science not a natural science. Natural science, engineering etcetera is subject to absolute measurements and meanings. Jefferson called for a revolution every generation. If the Constitution is so easy, simple and clear why do we need so many lawyers and Supreme Court Justices to interpret it.

PS: It would seem that just as a unit officer in the National Guard can ground or take away the weapon of any of his soldiers for cause (incapacity, lack of judgement etc) it would also seem that a member of the unorgaized militia (all the rest of us) could and maybe should be treated the same way.

Okay, okay, okay but all the arms with all the people are for personal defense of the individual and not for any attack on law enforcement. All arms and all the people including the "unorganized militia" come under the command of The Commander In Chief. Ken was so kind to give us the statute yesterday. The organized militia is the National Guard. The organized militia is al those who are not in the active army or National Guard. I believe some "unorganized militia" helped during Katrina. Arms are not for attacking legal authority or for use by one unit of the miltia against another unit of the militia, the unorganized against the National Guard for example..

Welcome you all to the unorganized militia. Isn't it nice to know that the Pentagon recognizes and cares about us. Get over it Archer it ain't about defending yourself from government. Under the title Ken quoted all armed men are part of the Pentagons plans.

Very good Ken. So it is seen here that even the unorganized militia is part of and comes under the control of the Pentagon. None of these forces have any authorization to attack themselves, us, or the government. All force in this country is under the government.