Waffler, I have lived under government controlled health systems in more than a couple of countries and I've heard your rhetoric before in different words by different people. The proof is in the pudding and if you will take the time to see what this global economic situation has done to their healthcare you will see it being decimated by cost cuts in not only healthcare but education and public services such as police and every other program the government has its fingers in. More options? I laugh. As soon as government has its foot in the door with the health program being shoved through the legislature any way they can it is only a matter of time before government increases its power and before long determines every aspect of health care. History proves this if one takes the effort to seek out the facts. Wake up Waffler, are you ignoring how much medicare and medicaid are in debt just like every program in every brach of government today. Socialists! Praise the program and it leaders in spite of the facts. Again, the blinded being led by the blind.

Exactly Mike, those like Waffler refuse to admit rule of law means rule of the natural law that support the individual freedom of man. They like to think and teach the rule of law is any law man creates whether an individuals rights are considered or not.If the law passes it's as if God has spoken and the law was written in stone and eternal as long as man enforces it over other men.

Waffler, if indoctrination to life and the role that a child must play can be demanded by an elite few who control educational policy, then why can't parents have the right to do the same and for that matter have the first choice on how to teach them up in respect of the rights of everyone else.where choice is their perogative and not the perogative of government to teach them what choices are allowed and what ones are not. They are the parent's children, not the governments.It's sad to see with the perpetual debt of fiat money running our country now, in a sense, Americans have sold their childrens future thus their lives over to those who would ensure living off the labor of the future to continue paying them homage,..I mean interest or the endless debt to society and its banks that can never be paid off under this debt system.

Just look at the way the health bill is being relentlessly pushed on America when it's obvious the people don't want it. Just as the bailout was shoved through we are now hearing out of necissity we will have a health bill before the end of the year. As history shows, all they need is a foot in the door then the laws can be modified and added to so as to centralize control over society.This is why the health bill is being hurried up to become law.It's insane what Americans are allowing to happen to their country.

It's true, our modern day wisemen are fools who have the masses fooled. The blind leading the blinded.

In other words, those who support democracy as a form of government believe societyis for putting into boxes excluding those who run it, and are expected to do what they are told to do to conform regardless of individuality that does and will, by nature, refuse to conform.It is a lesson mankind refuses to accept. individuality will nor can ever be contained.

The downfall of America summed up in one quote that says it all.

America take heed, the valuable thing that is so immportant to the free, exploring mind of the individual is freedom of choice. To control the manifestation of the thought the choice of where that thought might lead the individual is the very first act upon a thought, thus the thinkers choice. Without this free choice, man is not free.

."...whilst you were permitted to live..." In other words, be a good little citizen, do what your told and maybe you'll be considered worthy. Don't forget. Shaw was a Fabian socialist.

All history is His story and the product of his will and the story of whether man will accept things in life as they are meant to be or accept life as an elite minority think it is meant to be for you. Anything less than the first is mass suicide.

Following any law other than obeying and respecting the self evident laws of nature that create a free individual that our Constitution propogates is descent into slavery whether it be by consent or by force or under duress and pressure resulting in fear of the unknown boogeyman in government that keeps the masses in line. When anyone is forced our coerced in any way by anybody to do anything against their will and not what they'd do unless coerced into it, it is, naturally, slavery pure and simple. Signing any contract is waiving freedom for the laws governing the terms of the contract. Who has the right to force one to sign anything let alone a contract that carries lifetime repercussions with it. Social Security or any other things you carry on you to identify yourself that you 'must' have to do any business in the world is consent to waive natural constitutional rights and then rights (which became privileges under contractual law), are fought for within the context of contractual law and not natural law. Contractual law does not respect natural law; i.e. the fact we are born free as individual to say yes or not to anything and that includes agreeing with the Constitution which forbids government to do anything other than what is stated in the document. Constitutional limited government says government can't touch my or our rights without our personal permission. To do so is criminal and makes a man a slave. Under natural law, I personally cannot force you or anyone else what to do as that would be enslavement which is criminal so it is just as criminal for a majority, or a legislator elected by a minority voting for that special interest, or voting for lobby promises, to force you to do the same thing I can't do to you personally. Natural law = freedom and man made laws that pervert natural law = slavery and it is that black and white. Go by the Constitution and freedom reigns but since we no longer do unrest is destined to follow. The quote is correct as most believe the government is what keeps them free while actually they enslave the very people they are supposed to protect from the loss of freedom.

Waffler, it's true that most transactions between people on a day to day basis are accomplished by following the golden rule. It is only when money enters the picture that the golden rule and love thy neighbor goes out the window as we turn off the golden rule and greed sets the new ethics for what is right or wrong and money, celebrity, and power over others is most important in life. How much power, feuled by the greed of others, are people willing to give up before they can't take it anymore? That is the question.

Judith, you must understand Waffler as the happy slave that he is and learn not to get too excited about his statements. It is obvious it is his own welfare he's concerned with and individual freedom be damned. He is a happy slave who sees wrong as not wanting to be a happy slave like himself. It's in his nature to believe if a majority wants happy serfdom then the minority has no choice but to become serfs even if one chooses that is not for his benefit. Freedom of choice is destroyed and Waffler knows this, he just doesn't care.

Like atrracts like. Think evil,create evil,think evil is good and still create evil. Welcome to modern America and the birth of a new world.

Laws against any type of speech is suppression of thought and once they have one law more of such controls will follow and be caught up in the net called antisocial behavior. To speak of such things that make others 'uncomfortable' will be criminal.

As babies is how government treats society because those that hold that position act as nannies that the child runs to for help. Most Americans ARE babies and have asked government to be their nannies. Grow up America and realize what you have is what you asked for.

Anything that truly works for the good of all individuals to protect and save their status as free persons is gradually becoming illegal as the value and respect for life in general continues to disappear in society with the actions of their respective governments under the influence of a privately run world administration shape the world to their vision of utopia,...for themselves.

The state, in order to keep and increase its power depends on conflict within and without its border. With conflict on the rise it is wise to remember civil unrest creates the chaos they desire to crack down and it's the state that foments violence so to justfy their power in using the Patriot Act.with full force.

Because IF one thinks their vote actually means something then they can complain all they want as far as government is concerned because they know the vote means nothing once it's been used to get them in office but if anyone believes it means more than that they're dreaming but it keeps the citizenry happy thinking it does. When you vote for a guy who passes a law you don't personally agree with, to you, that's the way it's supposed to be. What you miss is that it's not nature's way and that man's way has you fooled into thinking after you made your vote you have the ear of your elected official which in reality special interest does. The democratic vote for our officials and their democratic legislation of laws does not change the ultimate importance of the individual rights of mankind in our constitutional republic and our and their democratic actions cannot violate the rights of the individual and ANY law that violates those rights is unconstitutional no matter how it came into being law and who the special interest is. As for the complaints over the elections, they mostly revolve over who the lesser of the two evils is as most recogniize no matter who gets voted in nothing will change for the better of freedom and our Constitution.

This is what individual freedom is all about. Thinking outside the box others would have you in.

In other words, religions of yesterday are no different than religions of today (government) that are simply becoming secular in their doctrinal demands of worship and no more forgiving of 'heresy' then the churches and religions of the 1500's. The secular inqusition has begun but has yet to come out from behind its mask as most are still fooled enough not to notice its presence.

Any society or anyone that stays free automatically performs as a check on any notion that demands the result from an individual's free thought should be subject to the determination of another. This is a natural effect established by the practice of individual freedom.

All is at peace in your world Waffler because you ignore reality. That was easy to figure out. And for reality's sake, it is the government who is at war with society enslaving it by denying free choice which is what makes a free individual a free individual and not a "yes man" for others.

No matter what you believe in that is your religion and all the passion, zeal and love one feels for what he believes determines the strength of his faith and how far he is willing to stand his ground on what he believes. All governments are forms of religion and that includes self government as well if one believes in self above all other aspects of natural law that equalizes us all.

Society is a natural state of free association among and between individuals and acting like this to create a State structure to support self government clearly defines the difference between the two. When the individuals through their servants obey the law of the land they are one in the same when electors legislate with the protection of individual natural rights prioritized first. Electors are responsible to their special interests now and not necessarily any constituency of those that elect or don't elect them. Whoever's got the most power to influence our legislators after election is who gets represented. The rights of the individual are trashed in the process.