“The Trilateralist Commission is international...(and)...is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateralist Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power - political, monetary, intellectual, and ecclesiastical.”

The Trilateral Commission was thinking created by Zibigniew Brezinski and financed by David Rockefeller to guide the industrialized world through new and developming times. This was seen by them as a time when balance of power politics would give way to cooperative world politics - the Tri stands for Japan, North America, Europe. This movement appears to see its' continuation in the G8 summit. Some labeled this idea as One World Government. Barry was interesting and an independent thinker was he not? It was most refreshing to see how he warmed up to William Jefferson Clinton.

More fear mungering, the main vehicle of the GOP.

The Trilateralist Commission is but one of the organizations (working in harmony and independently) moving to subdue the world under an elitist sect. Individual liberty and freedom gets in the way of their philosophy.

It is hardly fear-mongering -- it is the plain truth. The Demo's monger no less fear with their own politics -- to fear living without government assitance. I rate the truth in the quote, not my support of the Trilateralists.

Mike individual liberty and freedom in China for example would mean, "I can have twelve kids if I want to and I don't give a damn what anyone else or the government says or thinks." When enough individuals think and act that freely and independent of each other how much freedom and independence do you think one or two generations in the future are going to have. In this scenario freedom and independence are their own worse enemy. "Individual liberty and freedom gets in the way of itself"., to quote you Mike

In a socialist nation, the state decides what you may do with your body, how many kids (if any) you may be allowed to have, what names they may get, what education they will get, what food they will get, and how they will be drugged. To defend Chinese communist policies as an argument against freedom certainly shows where one's allegiance lies. Why is it that socialists always argue that if we 'let' people make their own decisions they will automatically crush one another? And if that were the case, what makes them think that people in seats of power can be any more trustworthy than the average Joe? It is just more fear mongering from the Left...

I will not rate the quote as I am unfamiliar with this organization, but I am familiar with the WTO. The point I would make is; those with money and power want to keep it. What is the number one and two threat to their money and power. Would it be economic collapse and government collapse? If you have a one world system the threat is all but eliminated. The global economy is at the door.

Bruce, again you make me smile and shake my head. I didn't say that. I don't know that I've come across anyone that can misinterpret or spin mis-direction as well as you (or was your quoting my statement just an out right lie for effect). The "their philosophy" of my statement referred to the Trilateralist Commission (the only subject matter of my comment). Having 12 kids is my personal choice (-;(well, if the wife be willing), not yours or the collective you. When enough individuals think and act that freely and independent of each other, absolute liberty, freedom, and independence is assured for at least 2 generations in the future. What do you think that the tens of millions of single men, not being able to find a wife due to Chinese communist policies, are going to do now that they are enlisted in the army. Now that future looks really bleak. I guess your not up to date on what the negative population growth is doing to economics and food production world wide.

I agree that it is a sad day when "we as the government" tell the individual how many kids to have. The Maoist regime jawboned the Chineese into mass pregnancies twenty years ago. Now their nation feels forced to reverse the trend. Sometimes Archer in order to get a point across to thick headed and thinned skin persons it is necessary to resort to the most absurd example. All I meant to say by picking on the Chineese example is that if they had pure freedom in regard to their procreation it would literally swamp their nation and the world. And I respectfully suggest that independence and freedom is a thing to be treasured and protected but is not somehow absolute and may even be lost by its own irresponsible hand. We don't have the freedom to trash the highways, feel free to trash your own backyard however. You have no right to be questioning any ones allegiance Mr Archer simply because I think freely. Allegiance is lock stepped adherence to a party line rather than free thinking. The propensity towards large or small families has ebbed and flowed with the times. Popular culture and social mores do have a subtle way of influencing these things as well as does economics. Farming families needed kids to do the chores etc. Independence and freedom requires responsible action towards each other and towards the planet and towards the future. Negative population will certainly require changes in the way we live and may result in deflation on the other hand do you wish to argue that in order to have a robust and growing gogo economy we must have an increasing and what is more increasing at a faster rate population to keep us all rich and satiated. Choose the position which you think is less sicko.

Bruce, you demonstrate quite well the mindset of those that wield their power arbitrarily. I merely am defending my own rights against such meddlesome and clearly Utopian non-sense. The government CANNOT be trusted -- that is why we have a Constitution and separate branches of government. Any attempt to centralize power outside of the lawful boundaries set forth is treasonous -- no matter how good your intentions. I have every 'right' to challenge your expressed views in this forum as do you. When someone then tries to stifle that criticism and merely state that it is necessary for getting through thick headedness, I suggest you take a look at your own. I might also add that digging deeper than the party line would reveal a great deal more than what you suggest. I would also invite those that agree with such sentiments to look at their investment in the current 'establishment' -- certainly most have a lot to lose if the principles of an independent nation were actually observed. You will never convince me with arguments about how China's policies are good. As far as your 'free thinking' goes, it doesn't sound very original to me -- sounds like exactly what the party-liners regurgitate on the tube every night. Pablum at best.

There is nothing more ridiculous that the fear mongering left accusing the right of fear mongering. If the left isn’t preaching fear it is preaching hate. Never can it be accused of preaching reason. It is sad that Barry who was normally a good and reasonable person could get so afraid of the boggy man.

Goldwater was a member of Bohemian Grove, I suspect he gained much insight into the workings of World Power. The list membership list is staggering!

Republicans fault the Dems but it was primarily the Dems and labor that protested the WTO, GATT, and NAFTA while the Republicans fought to protect. GHW Bush referred to his vision- using the term "New World Order" many times. They wanted to eliminate boarders to expose our workers to low wages and co-mingle our economies and banking systems.

When one juxtaposes this quote with the real world we the people can see how accurate(or inaccurate), is Goldwater's statement. I say Accurate!