Civility, something our forefathers cherished and something lacking in men today. I only wish people would approach their differences with this in mind. Where is your credibility when such language is used. "[1] Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. [2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. [3] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: [4] For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the SWORD in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Amen,

So lets fire the house the senate the executive branch and all their pages and personnel. We are after all the board.

As for "Bama" as far I as know the vast majority of people are glad to be here (USA). While we may not agree on the definition of "tyranny" I think it is fair to say we are headed in the wrong direction and government is out of control. please don't assume the direction I see as "right" to be the same as yours. Gun control is a joke how do you suppose the hundreds of millions of fire arms will be collected in this nation? If you think this nation has been "forcibly enslaved" then lets look back at prohibition. If we are sheep led willingly to the slaughter at whom do we point the finger?

Good morning gentlemen, I think we over analyze these sometimes, but I am not familiar with Edison Haines so I may be wrong. As I read the quote it brought to mind the fact that people have and do disagree on how to treat other people and because of this many terrible crimes against humanity have been sponsored by nations. As civilized people our nation has gone through some troublesome times and committed our own crimes, but when we come together and agree that something is wrong then we do have an obligation to change such behavior. As for inalienable rights particularly those of divine nature there is some ambiguity here (on this thread) as to what "rights" are. If you are born in Dafar you might look at nations like the US, England, Germany Canada etcetera as glutinous and greedy (if you could see) maybe it is our inalienable right to drive gas hogs to work with one rider while there are hundreds more going the same place at the same time and so on. Maybe it is our inalienable right to spend hundreds of billions in the middle east (would we if there was no oil, just a question) and nip and pick at world hunger. The truth is God has given mankind the ability to choose and mankind has chosen to limit other mens choices. Please I welcome correction.

Nice job Bruce.

Hello gentlemen, I think the quote even in it's fractured state would be obsolete today even by Madison's standards. In the early nineteenth century it was unimaginable to have such a global threat as we have today. The threat of world domination has been around for a long time now and the nuclear element makes it a "instant" threat. Persians, Greeks, Romans conquered their 'Known worlds" The Muslim's under Mohammad, English, Danes, Spaniards need I say more? Hitler? Unprovoked is my point. Our nation is rather large and to defend our boarders we need a ready and able military.

Truly a great statement by Mr. Henry. Again I here this same rhetoric from you gentlemen (all be it true) but I wonder what are "we" doing? Are we living the American dream (delusion) Buy, Buy, Buy consume, consume, consume (insert subliminal message) and then coming here and pointing our fingers. I ask this in sincerity as I have an aunt who has decided not to be a part of such a culture. She is a retired pediatrician who worked her whole life for free clinics and lives in a very small one room home she had custom built. No running water no electricity pays no income tax. She drives a 1985 jeta converted to burn bio fuel. However extreme it may seem she is someone I respect for walking the talk. I see a lot we can do, but are we doing? I hope to motivate myself if no one else.

Amen Reb,

The fact is most of you supporters of Nofziger's ideology don't realize that your comfort zone will be gone with this type of archaic approach to control of government . Too suggest that our government is "evil" in nature is not a reflection on some obscure group but on the American people. I wonder if any of you would be willing to sacrifice for your country in public office. I would not, so I will do what I can vote! and not for the incumbents. If we really want change then lets vote for change for the next 10 years every incumbent gets ousted! "We the people" want to stand out in the crowds and shout "somethings wrong" but want someone else to tend to it while we go on living in our air conditioned houses and offices watching HD Tv or what ever ones pleasure is. Wake up America in the end "We The People" will be accountable.

Excellent point Robert loans are actually bought and sold as "commodities" are. Credit is used as forced labor, but it is the willingness of the people to buy into the "consumer" model projected by product marketing today. It seems subliminal "you must consume buy buy buy!". Waste in this nation is surely at an all time high and recycling must find it's own mandate. The "this is better than what you have" and the "because your worth it" propaganda has created a large servial populatiuon bound to there desires to obtain more stuff.

Sorry Mike I don't follow? The deer reference. Isn't it interesting how it fits the scenarios we see in Islamic states that support terrorism the UN (sheep) pass resolutions while the wolves are waiting for the opportune moment to pounce.

Thank you Mike for that perspective and I do admit it alarms me and I will do the one thing I can Vote! What we need is someone willing to get in office and not create more laws but extinguish some of the loop hole laws. Is this possible without a socio-economic collapse? Perhaps some "grass roots" local governing bodies cities/townships could start the move?, but who is willing in today's economy to make such a sacrifice as it will bring big brother (aclu) down like a hammer.

Mike sincerely has there ever been a time in this nation when situations such as you refer to have not accrued? At what point in time have we lived in a social system without flaws? Are you suggesting a heightened state of lawful lawlessness? Please I ask this respectfully.

I will not rate the quote as I am unfamiliar with this organization, but I am familiar with the WTO. The point I would make is; those with money and power want to keep it. What is the number one and two threat to their money and power. Would it be economic collapse and government collapse? If you have a one world system the threat is all but eliminated. The global economy is at the door.

OK I am ignorant to this line of discussion but I see something strange in a couple of post. 1) referencing a "3000" page transcript as a way to "be informed" and comparing philanthropy to the patriot act. The quote seems hollow; however Mr. Gaither believed it sounds ridiculous as in plausibility. The more plausible contrivance is that of globalization through merging economic structures political will inevitably follow. Anyone want to take time to help educate the ignorant?

Let me see if I can simplify this for my own understanding. The simpler the laws (say 10 commandments) the more freedom? A view which I support. The process starts by "interpretation" of said laws ie "well Mr Smith has extenuating circumstances there for the law needs to be amended for such cases" and this is progressive until we have ten thousands of laws (current) which are constantly being scrutinized or "interpreted" to fit a single situation (often benefiting the guilty). So we now have inhibiting rules for the "just" and just as much lawlessness because our laws "like a pyramid graph" have grown away from the laws of nature (your choice of wording) of Christ my word choice.

I agree Mike although I struggle with the legal mumbojumbo in the referenced case it states "Acts of Congress are the supreme law of the land only when made in pursuance of the Constitution," so any "treaty" thats "starts" wrong (reference above quote) as you have stated is void. As long as we have the power to vote for whom so ever we will it is our responsibility to govern our selves. Lets vote fro change.

I would like to ad if you fellow Americans will hear it. When we say things like "you are an absolute fool" we undermine our own credibility. We can argue our points and beliefs with words of meaning without personal attacks.

Archer you are not speaking of freedom you are speaking of anarchy. You seem to forget that our government was formed from the people and our constitution bears the words "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America". However corrupt our current system has become We The People still posses the power to change it. Your nihilistic post is evidience of your anti social status in our society. We have chosen as a people to be a social republic and agreed as a majority to construct laws (the constitution) to provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare and yes inhibit influences that undermine our society. You reference a Utopian society in your rhetoric and we all know this is fantasy. What we all can do is work together to improve our current situation with realistic goals in mind.