“Left has come to represent increasing government control. The extreme leftist typically seeks total government. Working their way toward total government power are the Communists, socialists, fascists, and modern liberals who advocate government solutions for every real or imagined problem.”

Accurate, as far as it goes. If you took out 'left' and, supplanted it with 'right', 'liberals' with 'neo-cons', it would be just as accurate.

and I thought the leftists or communists were like Mike and Carlton who just like the classic communists wish for the withering away of government.

The government comes up with a new program for every problem. Then that program becomes the problem itself.

Now THAT is a completely twisted "propogandist" statement Waffler and you are an absolute idiot. We AMERICAN Constitutionalists advoctae LIMITED Government as opposed to you COMMUNIST SHEEP who want "Mommy" to take care of everything for you. If you are an American Waffler, it is a mistake of nature and you should go to N. Korea where you would fit right in.

Waff and Reston are about as far left as you can get and still be in or near the ball park.If they aren't commies they will do till we find some.

The extreme ends of the political spectrum are cults. Neither will listen to reason, and neither want to know anything other than what they believe. They live in their own worlds with blinders and earplugs causing chaos and mayhem wherever they go while the rest of are trying to get on with our everyday lives. They are both pests, but without the clowns, the world would indeed be a dull place.

Waffler, thank you for including me in your idiotic babble, that was nice. I can't tell you when I've been called a leftist, communist or anarchist last. I hope it wasn't anything I've said.

Obviously he needs lessons on the definition of the Left perhaps he should start with the French Revolution. It's very unfortunate that those who know the difference have to see intelligent people so confused on the issue. The right originally represented the elite and the left everyone else - I always love how the right propagandize their greed and selfishness to make it look as though the problem is the left - same old tied story...

Though Mike does have a point...

Today's left absolutely represents government totalitarianism -- name one ideal of the leftists that does not involve involuntary obedience to state dictates. Go ahead, give it your best shot.

If you knew anything about John McManus you would understand he is extremely knowledgeable. But you can always count on the leftist thumbs down the crowd to mimic the three monkeys, hear no evil, see no evil and I would say speak no evil but like always that's the only orifice that they use spewing their anti-liberty rhetoric but will they actually move to a country that is in line with their political philosophy? HELL NO! Gutless hypocrites.
But you know, if it wasn't so damn sad it could actually be funny.

"Government is a disease masquerading as it's own cure". L. Neal Smith.

A bad definition... and, incorrect!

Down with "the Communists, socialists, fascists, and modern liberals!"

The idea of government is not to be viewed oppositional or adversarial, but for the responsible it is a necessary device for the development of a civilized social arrangement.