“It would indeed be ironic if, in the name of national defense, we would sanction the subversion of one of the liberties ... which makes the defense of the Nation worthwhile.”

'Ironic' is too kind a word...

Agreed...

Ahhh, the ancient wisdom of just a few decades ago, lost.

We shouldn't let government protect our freedoms...by taking them away. Real ID, airport check points, surveillance...All setting the stage for what is to come.

People are always willing to give up freedom if it is necessary to fight an enemy, and the government always provides an "enemy'. A perfect example is the War on Drugs", which, of course, is really a war on people. Check out this website, http://leap.cc and see what I mean.

(Shaking head in disbelief) Yes,wouldn't that be ironic and you know what? I wouldn't be surprised if that happened. I half expect it to happen.

But we can get back on the right course: impeach W & his Dick!

My name from Your Town, it has happened, That's what the Patriot Act, Real ID, suspension of habeas corpus, etc. are all about.

Indeed it has, while we sit and do nothing - where are the effects of our ripples? encouragingly, Real ID is being shot down, perhaps that's the beginning.

That has always been the conundrum. Are your liberties worth your life, or your childrens' lives? Which ones would you be willing to trade away to see your wife, son, or daughter live one more day?

"Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almight God! I know not the course that others might take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death"

"If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to freedom being the gift of Almighty God, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave." -- Samuel Adams. Smart man that Sam!

Freaken Hypocritical and damn stupid. Described the president doing it now to a T. T, T-Square don't you get it? Clinton was no genious, but cunning enough to get away with the Sudan scandal some how. Maybe he wishes it was Kenya now. Really drop his guards and give him to the Sudan for war crime charges and impeach Bush before the pension is his.