1. I'd also like something more specific by way of a reference. Presented like this it is too vague to be of value, and too challenging to ignore. 2. As a (former) teacher and a researcher of atheistic thinking, I have to say that humanism suffers from conflict and inconsistencies in this area. You can't be a consistent evolutionist/atheist who believes we are animals, and ignore the bloody basis of your ethics and morality. 3. Here's a quote from Dr. Theodosius Dobzhansky: "Natural selection can favor egotism, hedonism, cowardice, ..... cheating and exploitation. Ethics are human ethics. They are products of cultural evolution." ("Ethics and Values in Biological and Cultural Evolution", Zygon, the Journal of Religion and Science, 1974). 4. Similar from Prof. W.H. Murdy: "Unbridled self-indulgence on the part of one generation without regard to future ones is the modus operandi of biological evolution and may be regarded as rational behaviour." ("Anthropocentrism-A Modern Version", Science, Vol II, 187, March 28 1975, p1172). 5. The quote being discussed is consistent with values clarification methods used in schools. It is clearly inconsistent with high standards of virtue and character, or social order. It is, though, manifestly consistent with the way many modern people live.