Nice!  Thanks, Mike.

Socialists have a twisted view of 'responsibility' constantly laying claim to what is not theirs, always blaming others for the condition and quality of their lives.  They are 'accusers' and thieves.

Talk about unsubstantial, meaningless, uniformed, and uneducated...

I agree with your statement, although we probably disagree on what the truth actually is ...

Uh, no.  But good luck with all that...

It's not so much that people disbelieve in the Lord of Creation but that they disbelieve in evil and the father of all lies.

Since you have been bold enough to 'go there' here's a video that scared me straight:

Altiyan Childs, the 2010 Australian X Factor winner, exposes Freemasons and Satanism
https://web.archive.org/web/20210605140257/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GjzW24tTMQ

The quote is likely a paraphrase from Spangler's 'Reflections on the Christ' (1978) page 45.

“Lucifer comes to give to us the final gift of wholeness. If we accept it then he is free and we are free. This is the Luciferic initiation. It is one that many people now, and in the days ahead, will be facing, for it is an initiation in the New Age.”

Sounds close enough to me... read the rest of the book!

To be honest, I always preferred the 'red letter' Bible which had the words of Jesus printed in red ink.  I prefer the gold to the dross.

I still hold my family Bible close to my heart, and over the years I have sought true understanding.  With a fresh look, I have found a new love for the Gospels.

I would like to clarify, as I have studied Indian astrology for many years and indeed the ages of the Egyptian rule, the deliverance of the Jews out of bondage, the age of the ram/lamb culminating with the birth of Christ (announced in the stars), the sacrifice of Jesus, his resurrection, the new covenant, and finally the end of the world as we know it — all are confirmed by the stars. My realization has been that the Christ story is NOT allegorical as I had believed.  The worst part of all this is seeing that indeed "the end is near."  :-)

Finding out the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the 'Truth' has always been important to me.  The Founders indeed pose an issue, as Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and Franklin while Christian in their education and outlook, are all recorded as being somewhat adversarial towards organized religion (which were all Christian sects at the time).  The Declaration of Independence not only separated America from British rule but also from the Church of England (the King of England being its head).

America was founded upon religious freedom a full century before 1776.  These sects were often at odds with each other despite their faith.  Note however, that all the documents signed by our Founders have the dates written as "in the year of our Lord".  The delegates of the 13 colonies were all believers in the tenets of Jesus. 

Franklin questioned the divinity of Jesus, Adams identified more with the Universalist Church.  Jefferson wrote the Jeffersonian Bible removing what he believed to be corruptions like the virgin birth.  Washington attended church but he did not take communion.  The founders often referred to God as Divine Providence, The Almighty, Nature's God, and Our Creator, perhaps to be more inclusive of the sensitivities of the numerous denominations of Christianity that have settled the colonies.

But there is no mistake that the founders knew that the republican form of government being established was wholly unsuitable for a people who were not guided by the principles of Christianity in practice rather than upon the guidance and direction of a church.

After much reflection and personal experience, I have come to realize that those places that were consecrated in Christ's name differ widely from those that have not.  The shadow of evil does appear to be cast in places lacking in the true practice of Christianity by Christians themselves, primarily that God is Love and they should have no fear since they have been 'saved' by the Good Lord. 

In my post above I am referring to the corruptions of The Word in the creation of the new order decided by Constantine where the Bible was literally edited into its current form.

I was brought up Christian in various denominations, all of whom disagreed strongly with each other, and as a child I often wondered why as lovers of Jesus they would do so.

As I often say, the truth is the truth is the truth, whether we realize it or not.  And I have been re-examining my conclusions about it all, and find myself back to the beginning and the essence of the Bible and its teachings.  Dare I say, I am clearer now and have begun to see the light as I had when I was a child.

The real question has become "What is it that I need liberating from?  What fictions am I still clinging to?"  Since Jesus represents the personification of Truth itself, what is he saying?

That's an 'ad hominem' argument.  "So-and-so has been proven to be a liar" is hearsay and has zero weight.  Refute with hard facts, don't be lazy.  Make your argument and have a dialogue.  That's the best way to discern truth from fiction.

Thanks, Ken.  This is spot on.

Hear, hear!  This is the real battle of Liberation!  We are facing unprecedented evil right now.  Bound by a web of lies and false claims upon our bodies and labor.  The battleground is America and all she was founded upon.  If Liberty dies here, God help us all.

That's when Socialism just prints more money!

You can't have socialism without a central bank printing fiat currency, and you can't have a republican form of government with one.

Now you know.

I agree, except that it should be voluntary charity, of which there is PLENTY.  The government would have you believe otherwise.  Forced charity is theft, and often that money ends up paying the bloated salaries of bureaucracies more than those for whom the charity was offered.

WOW!  If only ... !  This is the ideal we should be aiming for... "a more perfect money system."

If only the Western world would realize the new form of servitude they so passionately embrace — "democracy."

"Make the world safe for 'democracy.'"
"We need to save our democracy."

Which is code for "secure the power of the ruling class to whom all are indebted and beholden."

"Republicans are trying to destroy our democracy." 
This is literally and factually true — the US Constitution guarantees a republican form of government, not a democracy.  The battle for Liberty is the battle between these 2 political ideals, rule by the state or rule by the citizen.

The lie is that democracy is rule by the citizen — it's not, it's rule by those that run the so-called elections.  They pick the candidates, they make it look like there is a choice, then we pick the guy they already primed for the job of regulating the lives and labors of the people.

Add a central bank to the mix that prints money out of thin air then loans it into circulation, and you have totalitarianism in whatever form the rulers have convinced the citizens is for their own good.

Communist countries are democracies — it's just that there is only one party.  And if you don't vote the way the party wants you to vote, you will be taken away.

And this has become the tendency of all the Western democracies, devolving into a Uniparty that no one may oppose.

Then the rulers fill the bureaucracies with their loyal followers, giving them pensions for life, just like a monarchy.

The solution, I'm afraid is no less arduous than the last time... throw the King's tea into the bay.  Utilize trading mediums that cannot be easily inflated — we need a way to buy and sell without the mark of the beast.

Otherwise, it sure looks like the prophetic warnings of impending Armageddon may be coming to pass...

And I would add, 'government contracts,' of course, without deficit-spending, these projects could not be borne on the backs of the People.

Eerily familiar with WEF Klaus Schwab's "we will penetrate the cabinets." 

I do find participating in this forum to be beneficial in learning how to communicate ideas and arguments.  Yes, Ron, your words have much improved as well over the years.  A great many thumbs up on your posts have been from me. ;-)  Cheers!

The truth is the truth.  If a philosophy is true then it is true, if it is false then it is false.  Everyone is a philosopher until the truth makes itself known.  Some philosophies are identical in practice as others, even though the allegories differ. 

"As you sow, so shall you reap" is just as true as "Garbage in, garbage out," "You get out of it what you put into it," and "You are what you eat."  All true, in my opinion.  And yes, Warren, what you have said is your opinion, and you are welcome to it according to my philosophy.  How does your philosophy treat me?  ;-) 

If it is the truth that sets one free, how is that exclusive to the Bible?  It is self-evident and need only be realized.  That leads to "The Way" according to many philosophies.  Being truthful IS the way to Liberation, is it not?  Is the Golden Rule only golden for those that follow the correct philosophy? 

You lay guilt upon the innocent with such judgements — definitely not Christian but very common amongst so-called Christians (and that is what RobertSRQ was alluding to above).  We could all stand for a little more piety in practice, as Mike so eloquently puts it.  ;-)

You're talking about the Left, correct?  I could not agree more.

Fred, I don't think YOU understand — all the money in circulation is borrowed.  If you have a dollar in your pocket, you are holding an IOU for a dollar.  Exchanging real labor and capital for debt-bearing script is the enslavement of the people.  With a fiat money system, all you can ever do is pass the debt obligation to someone else.

So all those 31 trillion dollars that the US has 'borrowed' are being used as the nation's currency in the form of US dollars.  When debts are repaid, the dollars are un-minted — i.e. destroyed, eliminated, erased, no more.  With this system, money is created when it is borrowed (i.e. credit) and is destroyed when the principal is paid back.  However, not enough money is created to pay the interest, so that needs to be borrowed, too, at interest.  And that interest cannot be paid unless more money is borrowed and on and on ...

THAT is the insanity of which you speak.  And socialism cannot ever work without this system — it is its very foundation.

All we really need is a currency that cannot be manipulated to conduct business.  Gold and silver are the only lawful money, and issuing credit is in fact the right to contract, and we do not need government or banks to issue our own credit — that's what our signature means on a mortgage — you are issuing a promise to pay, certified by the bank.  Your promise creates the money, and fulfilling your promise tears up the note.

Everybody is trying to get in on the racket now that the cat is out of the bag.  Credit cards, crypto, NFTs, phone cards, Apple cards, digital currency.  All nothing but promises to pay.  As long as those making the promises keep them, all will be well.  Credit should be earned by those that keep their promises.

The money supply IS the national debt — that's how this system works.  We rent our money supply from the banks that create it out of nothing more than our promise to pay it back with interest, even if we have to keep borrowing more forever.

I assume the mentally ill of which you speak are the people that have allowed this system to enslave them.  We have been duped.  Is that clearer now?

I would be honored to answer your question, Fred.  While paying off the debt is a worthy intention, it would be fiscally and physically impossible to do so as the money supply itself is 'loaned' into existence.  Those dollar bills being printed are IOU's, not money.  SO you can't pay off IOU's with more IOU's... you are merely transferring the debt (which is the current system by design).

A central bank that prints money out of nothing and loans it into circulation is a foundational pillar of communism and by extension socialism.  It is completely unconstitutional, and executed under a perpetual state of emergency in the US since 1934 when all the REAL money (not debt) was confiscated by the private Federal Reserve banks as collateral for the Federal Reserve Notes to be used in lieu of cash (gold/silver). 

In truth, the US government was bankrupted and put into receivership with the Fed.  The US could have simply defaulted on its debt and started over (it was only a few million dollars back then).  Instead the debt has been put onto the People forever and exponentially so.  

It is lip service only to say that you want to pay off the debt but borrow 5 trillion dollars for entitlement programs.

Very simply, socialism absolutely requires a central bank that can create money out of nothing and require all to use it.  Gold has literally been made illegal to use as money.  

And a republican form of government absolutely may not.

Every single dollar in your, my, and Bill Gates' pockets has been borrowed into circulation, and someone, somewhere is paying interest on these notes.  We are all using debt instruments as currency — guaranteeing perpetual debt forever.  This is not capitalism, it IS socialism (whether communistic or fascistic).

So the Socialist's desire to pay off the debt is lip service only.  If the debt were to be paid, it would take all the money in the world, and we would still owe more — and there would be NO MONEY for anyone, except the central banks which already lay claim to EVERYTHING anyway.

Socialism is based upon empty promises that can never be fulfilled — and it's not from a lack of trying.

Get rid of the funny money cartel, and the world will collapse into war.  And unless the survivors remember what brought them to such degradation, they will be enslaved again.

Fred, which do you want more, Freedom or Institutionalism?