False David Spangler Quote

“No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation.”

~ David Spangler

likely paraphrased from 'Reflections on the Christ' (1978) page 45
see: http://libertytree.ca/quotes/David.Spangler.Quote.43E1

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Arsenio A. Lembert, Florida

This is a chilling statement, that reminds me to where this world is heading, with the majority of the "global elite", and commoners in tow. To think that a Forum is provided for people with such diabolical/bombastic opinions (unbeknownst to most Americans) with national collusion is baffling. Yet, if one criticizes gays, the war in Iraq, hypocritical globalist agendas, government complicity in domestic and international terror, one is considered hateful, and an enemy of the state. The world really is upside-down. It's time to get on the side of the coming Messiah for a change! Maranatha, The King is coming.

Rhonda B, Tombal
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Rhonda B, Tombal Arsenio A. Lembert, Florida 9/18/18

We are here, not heading to  09/18/2018

Will Cunningham, Denver
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Will Cunningham, Denver Rhonda B, Tombal 7/31/20

turn back, 2020 gets worse!

Will Cunningham, Denver
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Will Cunningham, Denver Will Cunningham, Denver 7/31/20

Jesus Christ is Lord and King!!

Scott Schairer, Saginaw

This quote is an absolute Libel. It is a lie and non-existent. David Spangler never said such a thing and has no ties whatsoever to the United Nations. This false quote has been passed around the internet by countless so-called Christians who evidently don't understand that telling lies about someone is against what Jesus taught. The inumerable Christian websites that cite this fake quote prove that ~they~ are run by liars, slanderers and libelists. David Spangler should file suit against each and every one of the despicable people and web sites that continue claim this to be a quote from him. And ~this~website needs to understand that the libel they are perpetuating may come back to haunt them as well!

Verita, La Verita
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Verita, La Verita Scott Schairer, Saginaw 10/1/19

Then why doesn't he file suit for libel???  Perhaps he wants to avoid the consequent process of discovery???

Lilly, Boston
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Lilly, Boston Verita, La Verita 12/25/19

Because if everyone spent all their time trying to debunk and sue everyone who misquoted them then nobody would have any time or life left to live.

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JB, KC Scott Schairer, Saginaw 8/10/20

Are you his mother or something? 

Andrew, Glencoe, ON
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Andrew, Glencoe, ON Scott Schairer, Saginaw 2/5/21

According to his Facebook page, David was the former co-director of the Findhorn Foundation.The Findhorn Foundation is an NGO associated with the United Nations Department of Public Information.
So he does have ties to the UN, you're mistaken there my friend, sorry to say.

Hanna Kim, Cupertino
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Hanna Kim, Cupertino Scott Schairer, Saginaw 9/7/21

It is quoted from his own book "Reflections on the Christ" published on 1978. Are you blind, SSS?

Toupah ZJhontu, Laurinburg
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Toupah ZJhontu, Laurinburg Scott Schairer, Saginaw 9/15/21

Ooooh, so he wasn't Director of Planetary Initiatives, huh? No, hoss. You statement is the stinky cheese here. Spangler most CERTAINLY Was Dir. PI. TVFEDHEADDEAD. 
And I bet hearing W. Cronkite saying...uh...  well listen and watch f'yerselves.

Editor, Liberty Quotes

While the quote is unsourced and commonly referenced on the Internet, Spangler makes a similar statement from his book, Reflections on the Christ, where on page 45 he writes:
"Lucifer comes to give to us the final gift of wholeness. If we accept it then he is free and we are free. This is the Luciferic initiation. It is one that many people now, and in the days ahead, will be facing, for it is an initiation in the New Age."

Anonymous, Somewhere, America

Thank you for clearing that up Editor, Liberty Quotes!

Anonymous, London, UK

David open your heart and acknowledge Jesus as your Lord and personal saviour. Your sins are forgiven. God loves you the way you are. Forget about all the childhood challenges you had. You need love which can be found only in Jesus Christ.

Liberator, Fact-checker, Berlin, Germany

Board of Directors of Planetary Citizens is not associated with the United Nations. Just a quick look on Google with show that. Secondly, Board of Directors of Planetary Citizens is the head of a corporation that advances New Age philosophy that says nothing about this so-called "Luciferism".

Joseph, ohio

Has Mr.David Spangler and The Federal reserve under Ben Bernanke as well as Barack Obama of the New World Order ever communicated with the Demon called Cessil?

Big J, Illinois

Fuck You Spangler I will die with the shield of God protecting me you worthless piece of crap. The best part of you ran down your daddys leg Rot in Hell you Son of A Bitch Big J

Chela Sloper, Bend
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Chela Sloper, Bend Big J, Illinois 9/17/20

"Isn't the love of Jesus something WOOOOONDERFUL?!"

Man, Earth
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Man, Earth Big J, Illinois 9/14/21

Wow. One doesn't know which is worse: the vile hatred emanating from "Big J" or all the thumbs-up in agreement with that hatred. One feels certain, though, that this is not how to demonstrate "Love thy neighbor". Yuck.

Bob, New England

I think you all need to read Revelation again, especially the part about the "mark of the beast". Not too much difference between that and what Spangler allegedly said, eh? I figure the test is coming (maybe soon) - will you be ready?


PEOPLE OF THE WORLD What is to happen will be fulfilled. Do not give false witness. Evil wins when the good become divided.

Vicki, Montague, Michigan

I am not a Christian, but I'm a spiritual person -- and am fascinated with Christian End-Times thinking re: Revelations as well as all the other eschatologies out there (Mayan, Aztec, etc.). The sheer numbers of specific prophecies from St. Malachy, Nostradamus (re: Catholic Church's demise), other prophets, and apocalyptic writings are jolting. For someone like me, it's absolutely chilling to watch what appears to be fulfillment of these predictions. It's a real wake-up call. I've been reading lots of David Icke and certainly every one of Zacharia Sitchen's books. Something wicked this way comes, people. The New World Order crowd has been making sinister plans for decades. In the last few years it's become painfully obvious. Bilderbergers and Royals alike make Satanic and Masonic gestures publicly... many photographs exist. Quotes about population culling from Prince Bernhard of The Netherlands and Prince Philip of England are just to mention a few of the Elites who religiously follow occult philosophies. All Royals do. Statues of pagan gods and ugly gargoyles adorn all public buildings across the world. I never thought about this before... nothing remotely iconic of Christianity. Why not? Why are the Elitist mansions & grounds of Vanderbilt, Carnegie, Rockefeller, etc., full of pagan gods? Across the world it's the same. This is why: they are occultists. If you really study the New World Order, you can't help but connect all these huge dots from fake pandemics to chemtrails to messages in hip-hop & rap music to eliminating our freedoms. Please, I'm not a conspiracy nut (a derogatory phrase developed by Tavistock). I only see one great conspiracy... all these events and signs are connected. Maybe I'll find Jesus yet as I wade through the swamp of this frightening knowledge. None of us should ever bow down to some crass Luciferian evil, but many will. I believe in one God and His beautiful creation, but the grotesque manipulation of our God-given genetics is another evil perpetrated and funded by the Elites. Hip-hop and rap artists are involved: Lady Gaga, Jay-Z, Beyonce... look at their lyrics; look at their gestures; look at what they wear -- do your homework! After studying this subject for 6 years now, I think world leadership has gone astray. And that's because they're "them." They've sold their souls. Many of them are active, practicing Satanists. Whatever your persuasion, start preparing to live off the grid as much as possible. You can protect your family and be around to fight the Antichrist in 2015-16 when he announces he's a god. Grow your own food and preserve it so you can survive -- so you can avoid getting microchipped. Learn how to use herbs for medicines. Don't get in line for any vaccinations. Fighting these Elites in the near future is not the route to take. They have weaponry that is beyond imagination. Stay off the grid. Make it through to 2016.

Man, Earth
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Man, Earth Vicki, Montague, Michigan 9/14/21

"Don't get in line for any vaccinations." From 2010. The same year in which Bill Gates gave his "Innovating to zero!" TED talk. The El-ites ("El" is a Canaanite word for Saturn) always announce their plans.

Amy, Montreal,Quebec,Canada
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Amy, Montreal,Quebec,Canada Vicki, Montague, Michigan 3/13/22

Twelve years later…better late than never! You were spot on about many things you had already discovered …I wonder if you’ve found Jesus yet in your search for Truth.  Perhaps now is the time…praying you’ll watch this up until the very end, and follow the evidence where it leads.

“AGE OF DECEIT: Fallen Angels and the New World Order”

Link to video: Fallen angels and the new world order

Tim, Christchurch

Satan is a liar. And the father of lies so much so that Satan believes and has deceived himself that he will win this spiritual war against God and will win and reign over humans. So much so that he has deceived his follows esp the world elite who control the world fulfilling his agendas of world population control, mind control, satanic sacrifices, ritualistic killings, CIA mind control, and further deceptions. When Jesus Christ returns it will be to late, believe on him for protection against the satanic world. Christ Jesus will make all things new we are closer to the end think about it people.

Basil, Dallas

The quote comes from Reflections on the Christ,” quoted in Unicorn in the Sanctuary, by Randy England, 1978. Look it up yourself. It's true.

Basil, Dallas

The actual quote from Reflections on Christ is: "Lucifer comes to give us the final Luciferic initiation that many people now and in the days ahead, will be facingfor it is an initiation into the New Age. No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian initiation."

Tammy, California

Shame on you David Spangler. The time to repent is on you; Go with God and find real love

A.T, London

This Spangler quote is actually from the book - 'Re-imagination of the World'.

Anonymous, Everytown

To Vicki, you have the love of the truth, and listen to that truth for you are going in the right direction. The reason the dots all line up is indeed foretold. And THE Lord said, "See, I have told you all things beforehand..." please hold on tight to your faith, He is knocking loud at your door, I pray you answer and let Jesus Christ THE LORD into your heart. Anyone who calls on HIS name, shall be saved. ~Peace all Stand Firm Against The Fire...for we war not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and spiritual wickedness in high places...indeed. So choose you this day whom you shall serve, the time is growing short and the signs HE said look for are all about us like an enemy encamped outside our door. Make sure your door is washed in the blood.

The InfoWarrior, Townsville

You will face the penalty of siding with the dark one, you and every other child-desecrating piece of scum you affiliate with. You don't deserve a holy name like David Mr Spangler. Your new age Lucerferian bullshit doesn't wash with those that eat healthy, don't drink fluoridated water or watch programming television. Revolution 2012!

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Ann Hampton, Sacramento

I think the truth, lies inside each of us. We will never know truth until we try to live as Jesus taught. When we have forgiven ourselves & others, a grace comes to us.. the grace is Knowing what is truth, Knowing what is right. Knowing what is truth, Knowing what is right. we come to know love, and wholeness and freedom. The Knowing is what gives us our strength. That Knowing comes from our creator. Not knowing truth or light, condemns one to living in darkness and feeling empty, Is there any wonder why one would want to follow Lucifer. Even Lucifer would want to be free if he could find grace.

chris s, Ontario

"No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation."

This is a DIRECT QUOTE from David Spangler's book "Reimagination of the world" which is for sale on Amazon.com... So to all the trolls (And just ignorant morons) who go around and say "this quote is fake, blah blah blah."

Shut the fuck up, because you're wrong, plain and simple.

sa8tan, Hell

Religion poisons everything !

Marion, Sydney

I feel we should learn to love one another

kaye, clarksville

to Chris s, Ontario. STFU! no this a free country so far and so we can speak what we will just like you did you idiot. How come you don't get the book and see for yourself you moron?

Jaems, South Bend, Indiana


It's hard to give a reasonable response, when so much irascible subjection is going into the commentary --- emotional Storm front if you will --- based mostly on personal views, rather than objective perspective.

With that, I ask, whom amongst you have actually acquired a copy of said reference, or, to further illustrate, read for yourselves the fore mentioned quote?

Has anyone here bought into possession any of these books?

Or, at least, have any of you gone to the Library to cross reference this quote --- they do have books at the Library still, do they not?

Before we call someone a satanist/luciferian, we need to be sure, fully certain of these claims.

Cast not the first stone, lest you are calling yourself the judge, and in danger of your own judgement.

Let me share with you, the literary biography of David Spangler, which directly reference this quote, and where it manifests itself from:

Wikipedia --- Spangler has continued to lecture and teach and has written numerous books on spirituality. He is considered one of the founding figures of the modern New Age phenomenon, but early on he identified its shadow and rejected what he termed "its further outgrowth into a myriad of 'old age' pursuits (including spiritual pursuits) dressed in 'new age' garb". This devolution into commercially-driven fads, identity politics, mystical glamour, atavistic spiritualisms, and uncritical guru reverence was a main theme of his Reimagination of the World.

Ironically, given his criticisms of the New Age movement and his attempts to draw out of it a balanced, practical spirituality of service and human betterment, Spangler has been a focus of anti-New Age propaganda primarily from religious writers, some of whom falsely identified him as the "Director of Planetary Initiative for the United Nations," a wholly fictitious position in an organization with which he had no association.

Likewise, the claim that he said that "no one will enter the New Age unless he or she makes a pledge to worship Lucifer and takes a Luciferic initiation," is equally untrue. This accusation grew out of a talk that Spangler gave at Findhorn on the nature of the Jungian Shadow and its relationship to the Christ, saying that Lucifer, whose name means "Lightbringer", could be a metaphor for this Shadow, since if we can confront it and heal it, we can discover the Light of Christ within. At the end of the talk, he jokingly called this transformative encounter with one's psychological Shadow a "Luciferic Initation".

When this lecture was published by Findhorn, this joke was included, though without any context to show he had been bantering with his audience, and was later seized upon by various fundamentalist writers as evidence that people in the New Age were followers of Satan or Lucifer, wholly ignoring the actual content—and context—of the lecture.

Later writers elaborated upon this idea of a "Luciferic Initiation", expanding it into the quote given above and falsely attributing this new quote to Spangler.

My own search for this "Quote" by Spngler, lead me, both, to the Wikipedia page, and this site.

My initial thoughts when I saw the "quote" were --- "Oh, wow! There it is in plain english ... They've said it, and now we have proof of what they are up to" ... But, I had to be certain, and looked it up ...

Man, Earth
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Man, Earth Jaems, South Bend, Indiana 9/14/21

It's good to know that there are still people who at least try to converse with facts and to structure their thoughts with logic. We are all far too often duped by our initial reactions to falsehoods which our world-views make us want to believe are true, and we need to temper those reactions with skepticism and research. Without that, we ourselves turn into the "they". Without that, we ourselves propagate lies.

Editor, Liberty Quotes

Thank you, Jaems, for your research. You have put the quote into context.

Randa, Beirut

What an asshole

jessie, communist canada

i had the original video clip and David spangler was the guy in it and he said the lucifer quote that this page claims is false the video clip was removed from 3 hard drives and all my blogs and video sites and i can"t find it on the net anywhere now this was about 6 years ago he did say it it was him

TruthSeeker, CoonTown

"The true light of Lucifer cannot be seen through sorrow, through darkness, through rejection. The true light of this great being can only be recognized when one's own eyes can see with the light of the Christ, the light of the inner sun. Lucifer works within each of us to bring us to wholeness, and as we move into a new age, which is the age of man's wholeness, each of us, in some way is brought to that point which I term the Luciferic Initiation, the particular doorway through which the individual must pass if he is to come fully into the presence of his light and his wholeness. . Lucifer comes to give us the final gift of wholeness. If we accept it, then he is free and we are free. That is the Luciferic Initiation. It is one that many people now, and in the days ahead, will be facing, for it is an initiation into the New Age. It is an initiation of leaving the past and moving into the new, shedding our guilts and fears, our anxieties, our needs, our temptations, and becoming whole and at peace because we have recognized our inner light and the light that enfolds us, the light of God."
(David Spangler, Reflections on the Christ, 1978 p.44-45)

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E Archer, NYC TruthSeeker, CoonTown 9/23/23

This is classic Satanism.  The convoluted twisting of words to fool Christians into turning the devil into God.  When Luciferians refer to God, they are referring to Lucifer.  This is just one example.  The father of all lies knows no bounds to lead men astray and into bondage. "The devil cites scripture for his own purposes."

But it is never too late wake up and turn it all around.  It takes few words to tell the truth...  the truth shall make you free.

James, North Bend, Indiana

Hey Jaems, we ALL know Wikipedia is a great site to reference, but it seems like in the ACTUAL book written by David Spangler, "Reflections on the Christ" on pages 44 and 45, seems to contradict your Wikipedia reference. And it looks like TruthSeeker just above has provided the quote in full context.


What do you think? Should we trust Wikipedia (which can be edited to express and convey the ideas, or agendas, of other parties), or the actual words of the man himself as seen in his own book?

Nice use of the word "whom", though. ;-) Amazing!

Man, Earth
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Man, Earth James, North Bend, Indiana 9/14/21

Wikipedia is a sound concept in theory, but, it seems, and increasingly more so over time, it was a captured/controlled outlet from the outset.

Man, Earth
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Man, Earth James, North Bend, Indiana 9/14/21

By the way, he didn't use "whom" correctly. One wouldn't normally care either way to bring this up, but, in this case, one didn't bring it up.

[W]hom amongst you have actually acquired a copy of said reference[?]

The correct way to have structured that question would have been to've used "who":

Who amongst you has actually acquired a copy of said reference?

Just fyi.

Michael, THE actual land of the free- Canada

I think, as many do, that U.S.A is the devil's playground. Whether it's everyday crime, gangs, drug problem, homelessness, financial crises, negative influencing TV, music, natural disasters, diseases, law enforcement brutality, gov't conspiracies and gov't scandals, racism, news agencies controlled by gov't (cnn), materialistic/superficial goods made to judge others by, on and on and on. It all occurs, by the vast majority, in your country OR influenced by your country.

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    H, LV    6/16/16

    This is why these luciferians want your guns. they understand it will be hard to force luciferianism on the uncompliant if they will be resisted with force of arms.

    Anonymous, Pensacola FL

    Jaems, of South Bend, IN, and James, of North Bend, IN, contradicting each other?? Odd, that...am I the only person who thinks that odd?
    Very strange...

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    Spacey84, Harlow Anonymous, Pensacola FL 4/30/20

    Playing devil's advocate maybe? 

    EFHerne, Tampa

    He's involved in MANY "esoteric" spiritual agendas like the Lucis Trust. They ARE with the United Nations and a "trusted NGO partner who gives them counsel on economic, social and spiritual affairs."

    The Lucis Trust has an article on their site: "The Esoteric Meaning of Lucifer" that makes similar claims as Spangler in his book. This article will lead you to another Lucifer article on their site.

    Lucis Trust was founded by Alice Bailey, who also wrote "Alice Bailey's 10 Point Plan to Destroy Christianity in School"--SUCCESSFUL and disgusting plan mapping how Luciferians would accomplish this. Below I've listed numerous pieces of undeniable evidence that those "ruling the world" are absolutely satanic. The banking cartels run by "jews" are NOT traditional Jews. They're Kabbalists, Khazarians, Semitic Arabs, freemasons--all code for Luciferians. Instead of going along like a mind-controlled sheep LOOK IT UP.

    "Freemason admits to worshiping Lucifer"--youtube
    "The Esoteric Meaning of Lucifer"--Lucis Trust "Trusted NGO partner of the United Nations who gives them counsel in social, economic and spiritual affairs."
    "Lucifer is God"--quote from Albert Pike, 33rd Degree Freemasonic leader enshrined at their Temple in D.C.
    "Truths of a Conspiracy"--John Robison, successfully infiltrated the Illuminati branch of freemasonry and was murdered for it.
    "The Kabbalah Centre - IS SATAN REAL? Answered by: Eitan Yardeni--Talmud "jewish" website
    "Marx and Satan"--by Richard Wurmbrand, Christian minister held hostage in communist country for 14 years
    "Alice Bailey's 10 Point Plan"--Alice Bailey founded Lucis Trust--"Plan to Destroy Christianity"
    "Karl Marx 3rd cousin to the Rothschilds Pharisees of the Synagogue of Satan"
    "45 Stated Goals of Communism to Destroy America"--Entered into the Congressional Record Jan 10, 1963
    "Satanists Open Town Hall Meeting"--youtube videos
    "After School Satan"--program on public school grounds to mind control children
    "Pope, Queen Elizabeth, Prince Philip Guilty of Satanic Ritual Abuse Against Iroquois Children"
    "Satanic Ritual Abuse in Foster Care System"
    "Satanic Ritual Abuse in British Parliament"
    "Hitler The Thule Society and Satanism"
    "Prescott Bush funds Nazi Party"
    "The Bush Family and Satanism"
    "The Rothschilds fund Nazis"
    "No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer.
    No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation."--David Spangler, The United Nation & Lucis Trust
    "Madame Blavatsky"--satanist and con-woman who still has millions duped into her satanic "esoteric" beliefs.
    "MADAME HELENA PETROVNA BLAVATSKY, A CON WOMAN WHO CHANGED THE COURSE OF WORLD HISTORY"--a stunning and comprehensive background on Madame Blavatsky and her connections to Khazars, freemasons & Nazis, along with many other political groups

    If you can read through all of that and still turn your mind away from the truth of satanists (modern Babylonians) running the world--then you're as arrogant and hard-headed as 1930s Jews in Germany. Good luck with that, but remember: "FEMA" is the new Auschwitz.

    E Archer, NYC
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    E Archer, NYC EFHerne, Tampa 5/11/23

    Since you have been bold enough to 'go there' here's a video that scared me straight:

    Altiyan Childs, the 2010 Australian X Factor winner, exposes Freemasons and Satanism
    https://web.archive.org/web/20210605140257/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GjzW24tTMQ

    Adrian, NC
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      Adrian, NC    6/5/18

      This man is a satanist plain and simple stop being dumb and stupid. This man is sold out to Satan the devil, Lucifer is his name before he fell from heaven. The New Age movement is very satanic and worship the devil. Yall are so lost and deceived by the devil you need to get saved by Christ.

      Marie, Johannesburg

      I would like to believe I am a Christian, that God will accord me this honor. I am appalled bt the vitriolic, and even obscene responses from so called Christians above...that is NOT Christian behavior.
      "Not everyone that says to me Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven" Matt 7.21
      (Incidentally, I am fully aware of the luciferic deception, and I pray that the good, sincere men and woman who are involved in it will see through it and turn to the Truth of Jesus Christ)

      Karolina, Vancouver

      I looked up his horoscope in an ancient lunar Chinese astrological system,  that is unknown to the western world and to the Chinese themselves, and it came up with that he had triple rats and a monkey with that.  The ancient Chinese called this aspect the con man. He has triples of it, So for what its worth, perhaps the ancient Chinese system knows the truth.

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      name, town Karolina, Vancouver 3/3/20

      There is truth in it yes, the bible says so as well. 

      Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown

      Whoever's this expression may be it is the efforts of a child. First of all, a change in the present circumstances from this intense world of chaos and disorder would be greatly welcomed by intelligent beings. A world of order would indeed be something new and greatly refreshing from this childish mentality that presently runs the course of this planet. If by referring to Lucifer, another name for the devil, this entity does not exist only in the mind of a storytelling child. This particular mindset is actually dangerous because it uses unreasonable explanations, like magic, when it can't arrive at a certain rational conclusions, which by the way is most of the time for this mindset, for otherwise understandable components for specified occurances.

      Gay Penis, Quantum Dimension

      He never said this. There is no evidence or source whatsoever that supports the claim that he exactly published this, despite the number of downvotes. Same thing with the supposed Albert Pike "3 World Wars" letter in the museum. Completely fabricated. Sadly, there are many false statements that are spread by the conspiracy theorist community that end up being sourced by so called "truthers" 

      E Archer, NYC
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      E Archer, NYC Gay Penis, Quantum Dimension 5/11/23

      The quote is likely a paraphrase from Spangler's 'Reflections on the Christ' (1978) page 45.

      “Lucifer comes to give to us the final gift of wholeness. If we accept it then he is free and we are free. This is the Luciferic initiation. It is one that many people now, and in the days ahead, will be facing, for it is an initiation in the New Age.”

      Sounds close enough to me... read the rest of the book!

      Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown

      We have substantial room and necessity for educating our fellows on this small little nugget of planetary order.

      Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown
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      Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown 9/17/23

      We can start by rejecting this fellow Lucifer is nothing more than childish primitive superstition.

      Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown

      Correction: We can start by rejecting this fellow Lucifer as nothing more than childish primitive superstition.

      Mike, Norwalk
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      Mike, Norwalk Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown 9/17/23

      We can start by rejecting socialism as it is nothing more than a childish superstition. More people have suffered and died in the 20th and 21st centuries by socialism's theocratic implementation than any other primitive name (wether inspired by the primitive adversary or otherwise).


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