I beg to differ. Socialism can ONLY be achieved by violence.  History bears witness to that fact.

Prescient.  Look at where America is today.  Warren was spot on 14 years ago.

Hardly a new principle from socialists to restrict the rights of others.  Hitler was a vegetarian, didn't smoke, and didn't drink alcohol — and he prohibited such being consumed around him.  What you fail to address is the "how" to eliminate recreational sex and drugs.  ;-)  Lofty is the ideal, it's the enforcement that is socialism. 

Fred, your version of socialism is nothing but a petty dictatorship — nothing new about it.

BTW "the challenge of social abilities to create the means of production" is not socialism, it's "capitalism."

Fred, "gaining control of myself" is not socialism, it is individualism, it is classic liberalism.  Freedom absolutely requires the responsibility of being in control of oneself and not being the subject of another's will. 

Please stop calling your approach 'socialism.'  You are mixing up self-determination and utopia.  There would be no way to impose a maximum or minimum wage without allowing oneself to give up self-determinism and to become subservient to an external authority.

I know you have got a lot invested in your motto "socialism is the challenge ..." but you will never reconcile freedom, independence, and personal responsibility with socialism — they are polar opposites and completely incompatible. 

Your heart is in the right place, only your proposals are authoritarian on their face and can never and will never accomplish anything but complete subservience to the state and to whomever seizes the seats of power and will dictate to the rest of us.

You're starting to get the picture, Fred, only you can't seem to accept that socialism is the cause of the ills, not the cure.  The slight of hand you are referring to with the use of fiat currency is a perfect example.  All socialist forms of government absolutely depend upon this trick.  It is a mind-boggling feat of deception that once realized exposes the system of power imposed upon the world.

Very simply, since 1913, the US, Canada, UK, and many other countries agreed to switch from hard currencies backed by gold and silver to a debt-based currency (called fiat currency) that is backed by a promise-to-pay — i.e. an IOU.  The 'money' doesn't exist until a borrower signs a promissory note (IOU) and the money is destroyed when the IOU is paid back.  Now every dollar, pound, yen, franc, peso, etc. in circulation is an IOU, an interest-bearing debt that someone somewhere is paying interest on.

The condition for this new money system was that gold would no longer be allowed to be used as money and in fact was confiscated by the central banks (private banks) in exchange for fiat currency they create out of thin air and 'loan' into circulation.  Capital was traded in for debt.  And an income tax system was introduced to guarantee the interest payments on the debt-based money.

This is socialism and in its newest incarnation appears as the "social credit system" slowly being introduced to replace the current issuance of debt (called credit) and put the populace under total control.  It's the mark of the beast on steroids — no one will be able to buy or sell outside this system.

As for the Doctors and Lawyers you mention, the fields of medicine and law have been completely usurped by this funny money system and the laws are written to protect the system and make the lawyers and doctors filthy rich.  Today, lawyers destroy law, doctors destroy health, and bankers destroy money.

Hitler introduced the Ministry of Propaganda to distract the populace from ever figuring out the scam.  Hollywood is the main propaganda arm of the US (and the world) along with the legacy media, Department of Education and the fields of psychology that promote the mesmerism necessary to keep the populace compliant. 

The current assault is upon energy (i.e. raw power) and food (fuel for the body).  The food supply has become tainted and processed food is literally poison.  The climate change scam has infiltrated all governments and every effort is being made to eliminate energy produced by oil, gas and coal and eventually 'fire' itself — to literally make us 'powerless.'

Socialism has made all this possible.  The challenge of socialism to to keep the populace completely ignorant of the true source of its power and to literally rule the world, and eliminate anyone and anything that stands in its way.

Please understand this, Fred.  The absolute control over labor, money, energy, food, knowledge — i.e. all forms of power — is the goal, and all too often your rhetoric mimics the same ideas of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Castro and every other SOCIALIST dictator that has killed off hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people.  Please wake up.

I beg to differ.  With a maximum wage of $4.25 you have communism — and you will get what you pay for.  Ask the Soviets who suffered under such delusions for 75 years.  Welcome to authoritarian dystopia.

BTW, both communists and fascists call their form of government 'socialism,'  and your version is an infantile variation of the same.

(I still don't understand how you presume what is "my" popular music... Don't you realize you know nothing about me?) 

There appears to be no limit to your arrogance and ignorance.

Hmm, how very Marxist of you. Obviously, your "challenge" is to attempt to redefine socialism into something uniquely your own, without admitting it is merely a corrupted parroting of classic communistic theology.  You are a fake (and not a very good one).

The challenge of socialism involves coaxing individual consciousness to conform to a Hegelian dialectic. Once sufficiently mesmerized, the lost soul becomes more susceptible to manipulation by their power-hungry leaders.

More projection, Fred, filled with generalizations and the tiresome repetition of your incoherent motto...  You can say it a thousand times, and it will still make no more sense.  Why do you keep harping on it?

Collectivism and group-think demand uniformity of thought lest the mob stone the independent thinker for heresy.  A culture of monolithic coercion is despicable no matter how noble the claims of its followers.

Mike, you are absolutely right that "it is an astute in the obvious observation that socialists can NOT grasp, truth, facts, economics etc." 

It is a simple matter of self-preservation — the truth is their death knell.  Like gamblers losing a rigged game, facing the truth means admitting they've been conned.  They keep doubling down, and once completely lost, curse the world and bring everyone down with them.  "Burn it all down!" becomes their death song. 

Hypocrisy is their creed and denial their practice.  Hate is love, slavery is freedom, war is peace, debt is money, honesty is violence, lies are truth, sex is a construct, crime is justice, responsibility is bondage, victimhood is currency, blame is influence, and death is liberty.  There is no greater example of evil  incarnate.  Their lust for power is insatiable, their gratitude non-existent, their envy self-evident to all but themselves.  Their fruits will be their destruction.

Good Lord, I will not let them drag the rest of us down into their pit, not if I can help it.

Holy cow, you are losing it, man.  Please, pull yourself together.  Good for you to resist the "jab" — so did I. 

As for not letting you finish your post, LOL, that's on you, no one can click the 'Save' button but you...  I can't imagine what it is like to be in your head-space, but I am beginning to get the picture,  Good luck with all that!

Fred, you project your ignorance.  I have no idea what you wear, the color of your skin, or the length of your hair, so how can you presume I am judging you by those characteristics?  I am responding solely to your own words, nothing else.  

Your statements are filled with assumptions that fail to address the counterarguments to your own claims, especially regarding 'socialism'. Your views seem to be a blend of fascistic and communistic group-think, interspersed with utopian ideals that would be more appropriately left for individuals to decide, rather than being dictated by what you call your 'social abilities'.

As a home-schooling parent, I can say that you obviously aren't speaking from any real experience but merely parroting the party line of the public school unions which have turned schools into a labor racket.

Children are ALWAYS learning, in school and out.  The key is to provide the examples you wish your children to emulate.  The best teachers are facilitators to the inquiring minds of their students, reminding them that they can accomplish anything if they put their minds to it.

Indeed civics and the structure and intent of republican government are crucial subjects for Americans, otherwise they can become unwitting slaves to de facto rule.  Public schooling too often has become a one-size fits all approach, promoting obedience to 'authorities' and 'experts' rather than the responsibilities of self-sufficiency, self-determinism, and their natural born rights that are never subject to a vote or can be legislated away.

True empowerment is founded upon the rights and responsibilities of man.  In contrast, entitlement arises from ignorance, dependency, and a distorted sense of fairness, where the government acts as an all-powerful entity, manipulating outcomes to benefit those who use mass influence to strengthen and enrich their positions of authority, constantly contended for by those craving power.

Frankly, I've had enough of socialism in schools, nor do I want "to create more coordinated strategic mental processing capabilities."  That is absolutely fascistic to its core — Hitler and Stalin would be proud.  Fred, do you have any self-awareness what-so-ever?

I lead no one other than myself.  I have no desire to lead you or anyone.  I am happy to walk with you if we are going in the same direction, but I will not blindly follow you simply because it is "your turn." 

Collectivists love to follow and to lead.  Individualists love to blaze their own trails, to go where no one has gone before.

If you are an educator, who are your students?  I doubt you have ANY.  Sincerely, you express nothing but platitudes, praise yourself constantly, display not an inkling of self-awareness, and demonstrate your lack of knowledge of political science, philosophy, and religion ad nauseum.  Delusions of grandeur, narcissism, egotism, and ignorance are your greatest claims to fame.  Seems like a typical progressive to me, yet you consider yourself its lone voice of sanity.  LOL!  I laugh out loud!

My heart goes out to you, though, as you must be a very lonely person who has alienated himself from even those that share your utopian ideals.  If only you would listen to actual voices of sanity that even bother to engage with you...  It's sad really.

For such an expert on socialism you sure seem to be anti-social.  As far as I can tell, your "social abilities" are non-existent.  No wonder 'socialism is a challenge' for you.

"I am the sole support for tolerance," says Fred.  Messianic complex much?

Not if I have anything to say about it.  What a crock of nonsense.

-Sigh- Fred, your incessant parroting of your tired motto makes it no less fraudulent.  It is not even logically or grammatically correct.  Socialism is not a "challenge", it is a political ideology.  There is no such thing as a "social ability."  Where is "freedom" in a socialist country?  Can you criticize 'authorities' or refuse government mandates?  What rights are inviolate with a socialist government?  What is not subject to vote?  Socialism imposes many obligations upon the people that they have no power to resist.  This is not freedom but a form of authoritarianism.

A republican form of government founded upon the inalienable rights of the people is the only protection of freedom. 

The challenge of socialism is to lay claim to that which belongs to the people individually and in concert without resistance.  The primary tool for such a 'revolution' is to twist truth into error and lies into gospel, the questioning of which is heresy — a statist theocracy indeed.  (Thanks, Mike!)

The primary skill I endeavored to teach my children was to always be truthful in thought, word, and deed — to seek the truth, whatever it may be.  A truth seeker must inevitably be a truth teller, not the least of which is being honest with oneself.  How do we discern what is true or not?  And how can that be instilled within us and others?  Contemplating this earnestly is indeed learning how to think.

Of course since the truth can cut like a knife and destroy illusory worlds, it should be tempered with Love and compassion.  Follow those principles, and you will find yourself on the road of Liberation.  The truth shall set you free!  ;-)

Another completely arbitrary theory to be imposed on the people because some arrogant 'expert' deems it so.  This is just another prime example of authoritarian rule that could not be enforced but by threat. 

This is exactly the kind of narcissistic and arrogant rhetoric I have been talking about, Fred, in which you daily spout.

Hear, hear, Mike!