We could also describe the newly insured and thos forced to pay for all the loafers and all the illegal aliens...with the force of "law". How very very UN American. And calling the Democrats "American" is only slightly more l;aughable than calling the Republican "American". They are so in name only. In doctrine they are both socialist. Thanks but no thanks.

RBE - Not arguing so much as asking that you qualify exactly how "we" took "their" rights away. How? And let's not get caught up in the same old ridiculous rhetoric about how bad it is "over there". Comparing our rights to "over there" is merely rationalizing away our own rights. And Mike, Yes you are correct, freedom is a right not a privelege.

Waffler, you may call me a pessimist if you like. Truth is I am a realist who doesn't choose to frame a generally corrupt situation in with roses. And Stein's comment that that awful bill has Laudible point is also irrelevant. If course it has laudible points..."window dressing" for the real intent of the bill. Which is greater control of almost everything we do. And what kind of moron goes on a spending spree that puts drunken sailors to shame anyway? Oh yeah! His Hopiness is just such a moron. (Or a comnpletely evil foreigner)

Great Observations all. Funny my first thought was the Rothschilds, Rockefeller's et al. Yep it's us against the Bankers. The White House is pretty much irrelevant once you understand who the real enemy is.

waffler, Ben Stein also says we were "had" by Obama and compares His Hopiness to Hitler. And he is right about that. ~~~On the July 23 edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck, guest Ben Stein, while discussing Sen. Barack Obama's plan to deliver his speech accepting the Democratic presidential nomination at Denver's Invesco Field, stated that he did not "like the idea of Senator Obama giving his acceptance speech in front of 75,000 wildly cheering people" because "[t]hat is not the way we do things in political parties in the United States of America." Stein continued: "Seventy-five-thousand people at an outdoor sports palace, well, that's something the Fuehrer would have done. And I think whoever is advising Senator Obama to do this is bringing up all kinds of very unfortunate images from the past." Host Beck responded that he has "been saying that we're headed towards a Mussolini-style presidency forever. ... I mean it's crazy." Stein then declared, "It's a scary situation. ... But 75,000 people screaming in an outdoor arena, that's just too much. It's just -- it's scarily authoritarian." He continued: "It's like Juan Peron and Evita." Stein is not the first guest on Glenn Beck to compare Obama to Adolf Hitler. On February 22, National Review Online editor-at-large Jonah Goldberg said: "I think one of the things that is decidedly fascistic, or at least just a bad idea, is looking for silver bullets. You know, when Barack Obama campaigns, he's basically saying, 'I'm a silver bullet. I'm going to solve all your problems just by electing me.' FDR, Hitler, all these guys, they basically said, 'All your problems can be solved.' "

warren, waffler probably wants the founding fathers and their wisdom forgotten too as it opposes his "ant like"statist philosophy.

JimK...That is just too (F'n) funny! LOL

Sounds like the Obamacare plot. Except that someone did read it...and it has RFID, Amnesty for illegals, gun control laws...basically it's just 2700 pages of evil, and not a whole lot to do with actual health care.

Yes We Can - Yes We Can - Yes We Can (Zeig Heil Zeig Heil)

And a Parallel thought...."It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. ~ Henry Ford

It is indeed fortunate for the ruler's that men do not think about...the ruler's. Americans have taken it for granted for far too long that their rights are written in stone and that they should have no worries on the matter. So while they were thinking about Football stats, fishing trips, a new car, the swimsuit issue, Tiger's escapade's....someone has been shredding their beloved Constitution to bits.

We are becoming a nation of dependent children. It has to stop...NOW!

"Right" has no bearing on the decision making process in DC anymore. However, "expedient" is whatever DC decides will work best to further it's own ends...the American citizen be damned.

The ruthless get to the top with money and manipulation...that, and a false smile and promises...

He should be careful...that kind of talk could get you shot by a deranged lone gunman.

Yes, "order" is the banner under which many laws of control are implemented. Now, in this day and age the word "security" is the new banner under which we lose more and more of our freedoms and liberties. The only people who are more secure...are in the White House and they don't give a damn about us taxpaying sheep.

When the 50% who are working figure out that the 50% who either work for the government or are career welfare recipients, will never contribute, but only steal...all incentive to work will be lost. And so goes Socialism, every time around.

The enemy is within the gates; it is with our own luxury, our own folly, our own criminality that we have to contend. ~ Marcus Tullius Cicero

The wisdom of the ages...true then...true now.

Individual Freedom coupled with Personal Responsibility under a moral system of justice is about all we need.

That's true! So why do we send our children to public school to be taught compliance and conformance? We're going to regret that...in fact we already do...

A truly civil society would understand the importance of each individual's rights and guard those rights jealously. But for the moment we're stuck with corrupt mob rule and herd mentality.

Keynes also said, "I work for a government I despise to ends I think evil."

For sure RBE...those who adhere to the Constitution are definitely "radical". BTW, what color is the sky on your planet?

I believe that people initially allow themselves to be governed in the belief that the governing body is benevolent and honest. Until one day they wake up and realize that things have "changed" and that the governors have become malevolent rulers. Keep yer powder dry!