“This report, by its very length, defends itself against the risk of being read.”

(-: ahh yes, history repeating itself

Sounds like the Obamacare plot. Except that someone did read it...and it has RFID, Amnesty for illegals, gun control laws...basically it's just 2700 pages of evil, and not a whole lot to do with actual health care.

Sounds like the president usurper, the fraud and foreigner, Obama/Soetoro/Obama's socialist takeover of the health industry.

J Carlton has summed it up.

Ah do not the British have a way with words! As Shakespeare said, "Brevity is the soul of wit". On the other hand detail, completeness and accuracy in law is something the simplistic mind cannot understand. That is why of course we have lawyers. J Carlton misses the opportunity to be comlete and repeat what many have said including the likes of Ben Stein "there are many good and laudable aspects of the Health Care Reform Bill". Carlton and David above are just sloganeering again.

Compare this quote to the one about slogans. The non-thinking and unread prefer the slogan to the lengthy report. Thus many are misled: that is how Hitler did it and someone is doing it to some of you guys this very day.

good time to post this quote

waffler, Ben Stein also says we were "had" by Obama and compares His Hopiness to Hitler. And he is right about that. ~~~On the July 23 edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck, guest Ben Stein, while discussing Sen. Barack Obama's plan to deliver his speech accepting the Democratic presidential nomination at Denver's Invesco Field, stated that he did not "like the idea of Senator Obama giving his acceptance speech in front of 75,000 wildly cheering people" because "[t]hat is not the way we do things in political parties in the United States of America." Stein continued: "Seventy-five-thousand people at an outdoor sports palace, well, that's something the Fuehrer would have done. And I think whoever is advising Senator Obama to do this is bringing up all kinds of very unfortunate images from the past." Host Beck responded that he has "been saying that we're headed towards a Mussolini-style presidency forever. ... I mean it's crazy." Stein then declared, "It's a scary situation. ... But 75,000 people screaming in an outdoor arena, that's just too much. It's just -- it's scarily authoritarian." He continued: "It's like Juan Peron and Evita." Stein is not the first guest on Glenn Beck to compare Obama to Adolf Hitler. On February 22, National Review Online editor-at-large Jonah Goldberg said: "I think one of the things that is decidedly fascistic, or at least just a bad idea, is looking for silver bullets. You know, when Barack Obama campaigns, he's basically saying, 'I'm a silver bullet. I'm going to solve all your problems just by electing me.' FDR, Hitler, all these guys, they basically said, 'All your problems can be solved.' "

Yes, the corrupt hide behind documents with a thousand or more pages. Reason, no one has ethics anymore, the rulers and the people.

Most Americans have forgotten how to think on their own so they expect the government to do it for them. They don't realize the harm they are inviting. For those of us that still use our brain we must not stand by and watch we must act and act now.

Carlton being a popular candidate or politician is what it is all about. You cannot lead if you cannot get elected and have name recognition. Apparently Ben Stein has changed because his lastest statement after I am sure reading the Health Care Bill is that it has "laudable points". I like Ben Stein, I don't agree with him on every thing. I like it when he said he lost big in the market just like everyone else did. That was Bush's market by the way. If you don't like crowds and enthusiams for ideas what is the point anyway. By the way McCain said he knew how to solve problems also including Social Security and Medicare. So what is new about politicians saying and trying to solve problems. Most people in the world get paid for solving problems of other people. I believe in problem solveing I am an optimist. Carlton apparently you do not so believe and in my view you are a pessimist. Your choice my friend, your choice.

Waffler, you may call me a pessimist if you like. Truth is I am a realist who doesn't choose to frame a generally corrupt situation in with roses. And Stein's comment that that awful bill has Laudible point is also irrelevant. If course it has laudible points..."window dressing" for the real intent of the bill. Which is greater control of almost everything we do. And what kind of moron goes on a spending spree that puts drunken sailors to shame anyway? Oh yeah! His Hopiness is just such a moron. (Or a comnpletely evil foreigner)

The bill is not a spending spree so says the Congressional Budget Office. It reduces the debt. It requires the non-insured to become insured those stopping the practive of them flooding the emergency rooms of American hospitals which then file for assistance from the Feds for their unpaid expenses. Now the newly insured will take their medical problems to their family physicians like the rest of us. That other party claims something should be done but did not do so when they could. Do you think they are just a little bit ingenuous? That at least one American Party has some guts and spunk to do something is very refreshing!

We could also describe the newly insured and thos forced to pay for all the loafers and all the illegal aliens...with the force of "law". How very very UN American. And calling the Democrats "American" is only slightly more l;aughable than calling the Republican "American". They are so in name only. In doctrine they are both socialist. Thanks but no thanks.