When I pull a gun on you and tell you to give me your money, I am a robber and am violating your right to property. When I and three or four of my neighbors pull guns on you and take your money, we are a gang of robbers and we're violating your right to property. When I and enough of my neighbors pull guns on you and take your money, we call ourselves a government (it doesn't matter what others may call us), and we somehow are not violating your right to property. Government: the unlimited "right" to individuals' property.

Archer, I would disagree with you on one point. Waffler doesn't have the mentality of a slave. He has the mentality of the slave owner.

Of course I don't see myself like that Waffler: only Democrats.

I see you've been reading Karl Marx again, Waffler.

Someone famous said, "the poor you will have with you always." Pick any busy freeway intersection and you'll find the professional beggars. If you want to see them scatter, offer them a job.

The people are the state? How Orwellian! The state is the agent of the people, not the other way around. Don't forget who's the boss in this Republic.

Slaves know their condition. Robots have no consciousness or emotion and trudge on until they wear out and break down, most likely to be scavenged for spare parts. Socialism may start out as an emotive response but it quickly devolves into pre-programmed responses with knee-jerk reactions to things that disturbed the program: mindless robots, parroting the party line.

The real crime is not requiring a shower before a swim in a public swimming pool; the real crime occurred when the majority stole money from the minority to build a public swimming pool. What great benefit to society as a whole is a public swimming pool? Can society not live without it? The problem with a pure democracy is that the "needs" never end. I'll always need something as long as I have your money to pay for it.

Waffler, you're "first class".

The world must be kept safe from "democracy".

Juggs, the thought policeman, is on patrol.

Government only consumes special complaints; those from the poor and pitiful who make it a cottage industry to be poor and pitiful: Those who could produce, but would rather consume (the productive lives of other people that is). The complaints of the productive worker are never consumed.

"All in all were just another brick in the Wall." Equality in misery and mediocrity for all of us is what the miserable and mediocre among us want. They engage in schadenfreude, taking pleasure in others' misery, even if they have to be miserable themselves in order to achieve it.

I've figured it out! Waffler is Ellsworth M. Toohey. I'm not sure if society is doomed when these conditions arise, but it is certainly due for a good, hard cleansing of the parasites. If the leeches aren't removed then society will certainly whither and die.

That IS what is happening in Obamao's reign.

Every state is corrupt because everyone who aspires to rule over others is inherently corrupt, otherwise they'd have no desire for the power to force others to live as they would have them live. Our own politicians are the perfect example right up to The One and the despicable Congressional "leaders". Another red neck five stars from me, and Waffler, a red neck is usually covered by a blue collar: what do you have against the working man? Does their self reliance offend you?

Waffler's utopia is apparently North Korea. I think they have reached the epitome of state control over their citizens. Everything, including their thoughts, are decided for them by the state. And look at what a wonderful society the Kims have wrought, full of happy, smiling people; goose stepping around the square with those beautiful, red flags.

Jesus never said, "Pay your taxes." He showed a coin with Caesar's head stamped on it and said, "Render unto Caesar's what is Caesar's." The coin, however, belongs to whoever earned it. Just because Caesar's head defaces a perfectly good coin doesn't mean it belongs to him anymore than your car would belong to me if I painted my name on it. The only tax that is truly moral is one in which you voluntarily participate and are not punished for not participating, e.g. a tax on sales. Everyone knows the price up front including the tax and can decide for themselves to buy or not. No one is punished for deciding not to buy (at least for now).

If my aunts, uncles, parents had not had social security taxes stolen from them, they could have provided for themselves in their old age. I would give up any future social security if I could keep my social freedom. The Waffler's and RBE's of the world would enslave us all to pay for their own security. I suppose there's no one more secure than a slave. After all, people look out for their property don't they?

Yes. Those ignorant leftists who are intolerant of any religious speech, or any other speech they disagree with for that matter, really should learn to be more accepting and celebrate diversity. Maybe they should learn that what makes them uncomfortable makes them think. Of course, thinking is not the point for a leftist.

As you reduce the power of government you will also reduce the corporate bribery/political extortion. There is no evil that does not concentrate with power and the only way to diffuse the greed and corruption is to take away the power to be greedy and corrupt. More government regulation will never eliminate the bribery and blackmail, it only gives it the opportunity to flourish and the incestuous relationship between government and corporate interests to develop. I thought the left's motto was supposed to be "Power to the People". D's and R's have both demonstrated they don't want the individual to have power. They want it for themselves and they're determined to keep it. If only we'd neuter the politicians, we might find out what freedom is really like. "Free at last! Thank God Almighty! We're free at last."

In "Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment" a book co-authored by John Holdren, Paul and Anne Ehrlich, they said, "Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society." Holdren just happens to be the Science Czar in the Obama administration. He also says, ""Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would pose some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems. No such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development. To be acceptable, such a substance would have to meet some rather stiff requirements: it must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock." I find this more troubling than the rather crude techniques used by the Chinese.

Bolshevism was the "Hope and Change" of it's day.

When the Federal Reserve counterfeits money and puts it into circulation, they're saving the economy. When I try to "save" the economy, I go to jail.

Goldman Sachs corporate officers and Treasury appointees are interchangeable. Sometimes it's hard to tell where GS ends and the Treasury Department begins. The one thing I know though is that they won't be paying the bills with their own money.