Sorry, my emotions got away with me but I stand on my rating.

The less said about this gentleman the better.

There is too much cowardice - we need to sharpen our pitch forks. We are comfortable with our fast food, Faux News, Rush Dimbaugh, Glen Beck, and alike, and don't want our apple cart spilt. The big problem I see down the road is very simple, it's called self preservation, and in the current climate of increased government over 50% of all employed will be on the government payroll and that is when things start to get messy - very messy. My dear princess Diana said it best "The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all".

And the "Family" (C Street House) is the tip of the iceberg.

Well said Archer, I couldn't have said it better - though I do believe we should have a more literary society. I'm late because I had the dreaded "Total Security 2009" computer virus - let me know if it fell your way as I zapped it.

God! why aren't these people around today. Mike, yes, I think Sir Kenneth Clark would agree with you.

Oh yes - if only you could see today the results of your statement - when you have a government that no longer governs and whose puppeteers (corporate America) have control over the military and the media it becomes dangerously close to you know what... let's hope I'm wrong .

Agreed! though we have no left or right but a corporate America dangerously having a military industrial complex

yes, yes. 100%

Wasn't there somethings said about a dining room table...

Perfect!

Yes, and we have had wonderful examples recently... Obama is a Mole, a Trojan Horse, The Manchurian Candidate, The CIA must have something on him. And I'm much to blame as I voted for him.

You must be fools not to give this five stars, or fascist, or right-wing fanatics, or religious fundamentalists - sorry if I have pissed off some on this blog, but its really very simple... Good for you Carlton

I wonder what speeches went on when Americans were planning their little genocide. Stupid is as stupid does.. It's amazing, there are few on this blog that actually know where the middle of the road is, most drive off the road be it right or left. It's also amazing how the right have become so good at projectionism as it is the right that want us dumb (they don't want sensible conversation around the kitchen table) and yet they blame the left for the very crimes they commit.

Mike, you know only too well that Natural Law is theory - Good Anon

Please provide these objective dictionary references re: religion and known authors that say Atheism is a Religion.

Truth is absolute neither good or evil can change it - it has nothing to do with natural law or God, it is unto itself omnipotent . Mike, the far-right and corporate America, OK, and the banks, are the socialists of all time - and they are trying to keep their little secret. Their intention is world dominance and they will stop at nothing to achieve it. Mussolini said it best and he should know "A merger of state and corporate powers" - if you wish, socialism's egalitarianism. Here are the traits that expose your hypocrisy: ultra-nationalism, isolationism, contempt for human rights, disdain for civilized dialogue, disparity between the have and have-nots, intolerance, contempt for education, the merger of state and the corporatist's, military on steroids, military calling the shots, contempt for human rights, mobs influenced for right-wing agendas/lies, religious fundamentalism, corporate corruption (and no one is doing anything about it because they would bite the hand that feeds them), inciting public fear over bogus red flag operations, the merging of the two party system, corporate control of the media, no action taken against corporate criminals, doing away with Habeas Corpus, control by the banks, and the list goes on. Our real enemies are religious fundamentalism, the far-right wing of the republican party, and the fascists (see definition above).

John Adams please come back we need you - the latent spark will hopefully ignite when we clamor for individual state sovereignty - I mean real sovereignty. Mike - its continued.

Mike, you obviously just want to read what you say, I have said time and time again that Atheism is not a belief system - does that mean because I do not believe in Murder that it is a religion - give me a break. Hoe can you have truths in Atheism when it's definition by ALL scholars agree that it means a non-believer PERIOD. Hitler was religious - he even thought God was on his side. Most religions are just myths, including the Christian religion. Religion is today, even more so what it was in the Middle Ages, hateful, intolerant, and nearly always judgmental. God help us if Mitt Romney gets any where near the White House. In 94 he was for abortion and gay rights - listen to him in 2008. This kind of hypocrisy is rampant nearly in all religious circles - even the pope now agrees with evolution. The moral and ethical tenets of Christianity have always been second if not last when it come to taking the high ground. Please do not preach to me about Christian morals and ethics; I have seen to much double talk and unethical behavior on their behalf. I would rather trust an Atheist any day if given the choice and I speak from experience. Atheism only has one rule and that is not believing in any Gods - its really very simple. Please do not make it complicated just to turn the words to help your agenda. An Atheist can believe in anything and still be a Atheist - very different to the rules that the religious operates. Atheist certainly have philosophies by which they live but they are still Atheists. Atheism is not an understanding its just has one common meaning NON-BELIEVER. Whats very confusing is that you have used parts of my previous post and I'm not sure where I end and you begin. Lastly, Atheist do not have a need for the dictates of others or Gods - there is nothing to guard but our own integrity and if that's a religion perhaps I'm really religious. Anon, well said - within your SELF, that's where the will to fight evil comes from.

Yes, we definitely seem to be going along that road. Mike I did answer your last post re Aug 14th sorry for the delay I have been building a wall.

Mike, sorry for the late reply, I have been building a wall and gates (if Churchill can do it so can I). Your logic and argument is beyond comprehension with regards to Atheism being a religion. I have told you many times that Atheism is not religion and yet you obviously do not read what I write. Let me repeat myself: ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION OR A FAITH! (by the way, faith has nothing to do with it) If Atheism is a religion, a faith, then why are you and your fellow Christians against having Atheism taught in schools as religious education? There is a whole stream of subjects that religion has that are contrary to Atheism and if that is the case by definition it cannot be called a Religion. Atheists are not in pursuit of anything, much to your chagrin, re your remark on Utopia. Atheism believes in the absence of God and the reality of life as science reveals it. It would be like saying; because you are a non-believer of the Muslim faith that your faith in that opinion makes you religious. It■s really very simple Atheist's do not believe that God exists, period ■ there is no cult or need for us to prove there is no God, we don't go to church like buildings to congregate or praise atheism. On the contrary, if you provide proof that God exists then we may change our opinion - and that's what I like about atheism we are willing to listen and change our opinion once you have presented evidence of your Christian God. On the other hand, Christians have been presented with scientific proof that evolution exists - even the Vatican and Canterbury now agree with evolution. Is it because you are religious you must have everyone religious so that you have your position in society on an equal footing. By the way you are incorrect with regards to Hitler, he was religious, he even had on his belt buckle these words ■God with us■ (it was in Latin). If people were non-believers in Mao's China there wouldn■t been 20 million killed. The Mongols and Catholics slaughtered millions throughout the world because of religion, and as I said in my previous post, the list is VERY long. Once again; Atheists are non-believers in the existence of God, of miracles, of blasphemy, of prayer (prayer may be an exception because in old English it means "A Request"), of heaven and hell, of an afterlife, of the soul, of a belief in the supernatural/Angels, or any act of worship. We have no agenda to prove anything. We do not hold any office or position as Atheists and we most certainly do not hold faith as a virtue. In actual fact atheists have freedom from the demands of religion though they always demand a moral and ethical society and this has nothing to do with religion or faith. How dare the religious think they are more virtuous, more moral and ethical than non-believers. It has been my experience throughout my travels around the world that quite the reverse is often the case. Perhaps this will help clarify my position: http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/ath/blathm_rel_religion.htm and http://atheism.about.com/od/christianismnationalism/p/XianNationalism.htm I will not stoop to the conversation with regards to providing a list of philanthropic deeds, suffice to say, I■m a Rotarian, belonging to the largest service organization in the world with 1.2 million members. We are responsible, with the WHO, Bill Gates, and respective CDC■s in eradicating Polio world-wide. Atheists may believe in science like some Christians do, we may also believe in evolution, because all these are provided by proof, if you wish to not believe in evolution that■s fine too (read Dawkin■s latest book ■The Greatest Show on Earth■), but the facts are there and the majority of scientists agree that man was at one time a primate and that we crawled out of the sea. I do not have faith in this scientific knowledge I have an opinion based on science. Atheists do not have faith in any God or religious myth - religion is a belief system, the key word here is system. Science, above all else, should concentrate on GETTING AMERICA BACK ON TRACK, because without it there will be no science. This can only occur if we all direct our efforts towards changing our present form of government into an ethical and moral instrument because Christianity hasn■t worked ■ we need to give science a chance . Then we will have a platform on which to build; presently the platform is quicksand. Science can only be achieved in an enlightened society and we are fast becoming unenlightened. With regards to health care: If you try taking away the national health system from other western civilized countries, you will have a WWIII on your hands - the NHS is revered around the world which is why MANY Americans travel to Britain to have medical procedures carried out especially if they have no insurance. Mexico is complaining that they are getting many Americans who only visit Mexico to have medical procedures performed, the same with Canada. It■s a joke that the most affluent (soon not to be) county in the world has no health policy for the uninsured unless they are nearly dead - it a disgrace to humanity. Christians are meant to help the poor but when it comes to health care they are told sorry, no do - what absolute hypocrisy. This country is losing its moral and ethical ground (not that it■s been very good this last thirty years) and when that happens (it may have already happened) then chaos will ensue. Lastly, faith has nothing to do with religion, I have faith that my lover loves me, is that a religion? I will not stoop to the conversation with regards to providing a list of philanthropic deeds, suffice to say, I■m a Rotarian, belonging to the largest service organization in the world with 1.2 million members. We are responsible, with the WHO, Bill Gates, and respective CDC■s in eradicating Polio world-wide. So, lets get off the subject of Atheism being a religion and move on.

I'm afraid the reverse is the case in time. Mike and Archer I continued the thread re Aug 14th.

Please provide examples of "Statist Theocracies in pursuit of their Atheist utopias" that is surely a contradiction -- you are in essence saying that a centralized theocratic government are in pursuit of an Atheist utopia - Mike, sorry, but I must be missing your meaning, please explain. Isn't a centralized theocratic government religious? Your comment with regard to Christians individually being most charitable is true in part but the Christian Church is not governed by individuals its governed by the Vatican and other religious leaders who are most definitely responsible for the most outrageous of atrocities. Just the killing of the indigenous populations of central and South America is proof enough -- and that is just one example of hundreds if not thousands of similar atrocities. The Christian faith has brought nothing but misery to the world I have yet to see otherwise -- their intolerance for equality is beyond belief and yet you stand there and defend this abominable demagoguery. Is your faith so blind that you are unable to see the evil that emanates from the pulpits of self righteous demagogues? I sincerely believe you are a good person and like many other individual Christians; the key here is the word 'individual'. As I have often said Christianity has good people doing bad things (with bad people, it's their nature to do bad things). You say that "all are equal before the law" what if the law is not equally fair to all concerned? The life you illustriously portray is not the life of reality but of fantasy; it's life born from theory, myth, and faith not from the practical world that we all live in. Also, how the hell do you infer from my previous comment that I should dictate when law should be appropriate or should wait for my bidding? Liberalism today is the same with regard to its original meaning, the problem is that the word has been manipulated by self interest, by self-righteous bigots to inflame morons and ignite mayhem. Liberalism is kindness towards those who are less fortunate than those who have become wealthy on the backs of the poor. If you are a Christian you must know the most famous Liberal of all, Christ. TED Kennedy, is a wonderful example of a Liberal -- he may not have been a saint but he by sure made up for his indiscretions. It was the Liberal movement that started the Bill of Rights and other documents legislating equal rights for all Americans regardless of position, wealth, race, sexual orientation, and religion. It is liberals, who you should thank, that allows you to have the freedom of religion, and the freedom of speech. It was liberals who stop the horrors of racism, provided equal right for black Americans, and was responsible for the civil rights movement. It was liberals that fought for a livable wage and was responsible for the minimum wage laws. It was liberals that gave you the Americans Disability Act. It was liberals that gave us free health care for the children from poor families who could not afford health insurance. It was liberals that gave us a strong middle class that freed us from the great depression. It was Liberals that implemented national unemployment insurance. It was liberals that provided medical care for the disabled and those unable to care for themselves. It was liberals that gave us Social Security that provides pensions to all Americans regardless of economic status (in actual fact the wealthy get bigger pensions); this is not a free as everyone pays into the program. It was liberals that gave us free or low cost public education for all children regardless of wealth. It was liberals that legislated funding and services for the disadvantage in our communities. It was liberals that gave us the family leave act. It was liberals that defeated sexism in America. It was liberals that brought us victory over the fascists in WWII. And, it is my experience that all liberals strive for the common welfare of all peoples of the world and they continue with that dream today. The list of great liberal achievements goes on, and by now you must be wondering what the hell you are talking about when you very foolish imply that Liberals are tyrannical despots -- where do you get that $%#@ from. Mike, I know your heart is in the right place but it is wrong to call Liberals the names you do as it is totally unfounded. I am a liberal, and for a fact, not one liberal I know fits your description of Liberals, so there must be a tremendous disconnect somewhere. I have found Liberals to be compassionate, well meaning, and always in the promotion of helping humanity, without the need to resort to terrible destructive dialogue. On the other hand, I have found the Republican Party (perhaps the far-right) rise to power by unfounded inflammatory rhetoric, and used liberalism as a punch-bag to promote their personal or party agenda. Mike, what do you want Atheists to step up to -- I didn't get that point. Atheists do not have the herd mentality and do not form religious groups, governments, etc. We don't go about shouting Atheist this Atheist that -- we have no face on our Atheism -- we have no need to as we are individuals and do not belong to the Vatican or any other formulized group. The biggest joke of all in your last comment was your reference to the media being Atheistic -- do you realize who owns most of the media? Who owns the fight against Americans having equality, again, the list is long. By the way, words may be changed with regard to their modern interpretation but that is wrong -- there are 70 or more Celtic words in the English dictionary and they mean the same today as they did over 2000 years ago (one word is Kill).

Truth is absolute and interpretation its miscreant. We profess to know truth and yet we are ignorant of it.

O how wonderful that depicts Ted Kennedy and the hate mongers who cluster around their covens waiting for their next prey. All those who spew visceral and hatred comments are themselves from cauldron of darkness. I'm not an intolerant person only intolerant against those who are intolerant.