Interesting comments. Does it matter who said it? Unless it was God, I think not. And, forget changing the liberal mind. There's no commonality to establish a platform for debate. As a conservative, the belief is that truth is absolute and not subject to personal interpretation, therefore, by utilizing facts to support or deny a proposition, a logical conclusion can be drawn. On the other hand, the liberal mind, believing that truth is relative, is free to "adjust" the facts to fit a foregone conclusion so that anything which doesn't support that conclusion can be discarded. Is there common ground? I think not, ergo the polarization of America as we see it today. "A house divided against itself cannot stand." Abraham Lincoln (Paraphrase of a quotation from the book of Matthew 12:25) When will it change? Simply, when the money runs out and the economic and social turmoil makes the Great Depression look like a Sunday School picnic!!!