Mr. Barnden would do better to offer his psychotherapy services to some of the contributors to this site. As a shrink why does he not say something about things like confidence, irrational market exuberance etcetera, Of course there are things in a free market economy to cause people to stop or change there consumption and related production activity. What a stupid quote is this. Mass communications, runs on banks, fear, can effect peoples activity nation and world wide over night.

Unfortuanately totalitarianism knows no difference between right or left. Those who would try to take over and limit the freedom of a people in economics, arts, science, and just plain old liberty are everywhere. As for me I look forward to a rebirth of economic activity, art, and science under the erudite and equaniminous touch of Barack Obama and the irrepressible Joseph Biden. I stood ten feet from Joe in Ocala, Florida. As Phil Donahue said this AM just the smiles of these two will light up the nation and the world. Now they are talking about another liberal in the Cabinet Schwarzenegger himself, DYNAMITE!

Ken I image your service for a fee to work like this at least in reference to roads and bridges. When I leave my home I pay a fee to enter the street in front of my house, and when I get the corner for my first turn, I get out and pay a few for proceeding to the next turn etcetera all the way until I get to work. Since all traffic is proceeding in different ways on different roads and I may even proceed on different roads on different days I must pay for each turn and entrance on to a new road. If we pay for common roads through taxes we are in effect paying for the other guy to use roads and he is paying for the roads we use. If I don't drive much I am paying for somethin I seldom use. Is this what you guys mean by slavery, paying for something you don't use. And how would rectify this by puttin tolls at each and every block of each and every street. Am I to assume that y'all have thought this all through.

I don't disagree with you Ken. I still don't think George W.'s quote is all that great. I think when we read it we think it is true of everyone but us. It seems to say that few men have any principles, which may be true but it is very sad. (Would you be willing to walk around with a sign saying "I have no principles and am available to the highest bidder.") I only suggest that Washington according to many historians made a calculated decision based partly on money. So if we read this quote between the lines thinking that George W. was somehow above the fray and superior to us mere mortals we may me making a mistake.

PS: Mike I am not especially impressed with your geneology. George's failure to be "deeply infatuated" with Martha may be why he has been forever known to have slept everywhere. I am descent of Nancy Hart a Revolutionary War Heroine who killed several South Carolina Tories who had invaded her pioneer Georgia homestead. She has a county named after her. I would assume you are not impressed with mine either.

Like many on this site you are more interested in your own lies and propaganda and whatever twist of fact helps your pre and ill conceived notions much more than you are in truth and honest analysis. As Joe and Barack say, "Ladies and Gentlemen, Ladies and Gentlemen" that would be Joe and then Barack "Enough, enough". Your slanting and lies is evident in your descripiton of "deep infatuation" and substituting your own "crush". The point is he married partly for money and thus he was swayed by the higher bidder. How many of us would agree that we are swayed by the highest bidder and have not virture and principle. I would suggest that when we read this we think it applies to everyone or at least to many but not to ourselves. Well it applied to Washington also, so quit being uncritical slaves to the Fouding god Fathers.

Ken I did some research on Washington and his marriage for money or bribe at the first quote. Check it out and let me know what you think, please.

If your model is so great Ken why has it never been exclusively practiced. Was Athens, Rome, Paris, London or New York ever run this way. Wherever men have chosen to live together they have built and constructed together. I agree to the silent hand of Adam Smith to direct some activity but only some.

For those of you who are interested in a deeper study of Washington and I won't hold my breathe because of your above shallow comments and attitudes but I have found the following which confirms Washingtons seeming or possible availability to the highest bidder. In Martha Washington by Patricia Brady it is stated: "The dashing Geo Wash. courted the young widow, though surviving letters reveal that he was DEEPLY INFATUATED with another woman, Sally Cary Fairfax. Ms. Brady still insists that George felt some AFFECTION or ESTEEM for Martha, that he didn't marry her JUST FOR MONEY. Whatever the case, Martha was deeply smitten with George and the pair grew into deeper love over the course of their marriage." Thus he did not marry Martha just for money but partly for money is what she is saying. Any of you with an open mind can obviously see that there is some serious questioning about whether or not George married for money or in effect accepted "a bribe" in order to give up his DEEP INFATUATION for Ms Fairfax in return for affection, esttem and the money of Ms. Martha. I will accept apologies for the aspersions that have been cast upon my character by the likes of Archer and Warren and any other blind worshippers of our founder gods (Logan for example). Not to worry, however, because I won't hold my breathe and turn blue for apolgies from such as these. In the right wing radical world dogma shall never be questioned.

Yes, RBE SRQ clean also. Apparently Ken has never heard of Rove, dividing group against group, etcetera. If Ken does know that know that this election was clearer and cleaner than the two elections "won" by "landslide W" he must be smoking the same things as Mike from Norwalk.

Mike 75 years have elapsed since 1933, wake up Rip Van Winkle.

PS: For the tax haters there are still a few jungles, savannahs, and deserts y'all can go to. I suggest Namibia or an endless sail boat journed, no taxes there.

Under the law in this country and most states, and even some cities when you take a job, earn some interest, or make some money you have a silent partner. That silent partner like it or not is the various government entities aforementioned. Dis it however you like, it is a fact. Most young folks I admit are shocked when they get their first paycheck and see that 7.5% percent taken out for SS. I assume most of you guys who have nothing better to do than blog on a site like this are a little older at least chronologically. Mentally, politically, and legally you have a lot of growth to do. I am stating a fact, can you not relate to the fact (even if you do not like it) that "There shall be a tax on all income from whatever source derived unless explicitly exempted by this chapter." All I ask is for y'all to grow the hell up.

Are not city, state, and national taxes that go to airports, roads, Amtrak subsidies. All of the infrastructure of our society is subsidized by us. By this I mean we all pay taxes for this stuff but may use it differently. Some use airports, roads, and Amtrak more than others, Those who use it more get the benefit paid by those who may use them less. The quote therefore is shallow and sucks. And you guys are even more shallow in you kowtowing to it. Typically of liberty-tree quotes and the responses it endears from the non-thinking knee jerking class.

Just keeping them honest. I love Washington and hate Hitler but the fact is Washington married up very well. I read a bio of his several years ago. You guys need to lighten up, get a sense of humour. All men may say something provactive on occasion. You guys are just to, to how should I say it doctrinarie. I love Washington because he was pragmatic. He wrote a wonderful letter to the Rabbi of the Providence Rhode Island synogogue, welcoming the Sons of Abraham to America to a voice in his government, not exactly like that other guy 150 years later. Archer and Warren will knee jerk on anything to preach their dogmatic ideology. Typical of closed minded types trying to make me guilty by association. I think it is an interesting study in contrasts between what Washington is quoted as saying here and the fact that he married so well. Lighten up folks and stop worshiping our fonuding fathers study them as fallible but yes great men. Great men are men and have faults also.

The first mistake people make is of thinking that their money is theirs. God tells us that every thing is his and he has lent it to us but the law tells us that a only a percentage of what we make is the governments. Joe The Plumber knows nothing of what he is talking about. Small business pays no taxes more than anyone else except 1/2 of an employee's social security tax, and they then pass that on to their customers. A 250,000 flow through from a sole propritorship or from a Subchapter S Corporation is no different tax wise than receiving a salary of the same amount.

You vill submit to having roads, and airports, and national defense. There will always be one who is agaist what every one else wants to do and rather than feeling happy will feel himself in a positon of submission. Like the guy who appears to be in submission to his wife but who himself feels that he is in absolute bliss.

George should know he married most of his money. I think there are a few good men and women.

Mike you may buy your gold at some of these dot coms. Blanchard On Line, US Gold Buyers, monex.

Even evil men can get something right sometimes. Hitler was aided and abetted by the US and the west as an antidote to internatinalism under the communist banner. Now many on this site are against internationalism (globalism) that is under any banner. Archer above is advancing an ad hominem argument. He should check with Logan on this his error.

GOLD BULLION: Being ignorant is no sin wanting to be ignorant is. Google "pure gold ingots" and you will find a full listing of where to buy and sell yours. Statements that owning gold is illegal or controlled by the government is completely false and ignorant of the facts.

Your failure to respond to my sincere statements of the fact that companies are currently collecting gold in the form of jewelery and melting it down to ingots and that you can do the same is pathetic. I repeat my story about an old man who purchased gold in ingots to the tune of $400,000 dollars. Citizens are prohibited from making any other currency, they are not prohibited from using gold whether in be in bars, dust, jewelry etcetetra to barter with each other. No resutation of rules and regulations is necessary, the facts as I have stated them is correct and you can not refute them. If you had not the false straw man of "government rules and regulations" to fight with you would apparently have a totally meaningless life. I am so sorry for people like you that cannot discuss and face facts.

PS: Logan if allegiance to American Liberty includes your views of logic, history, and philosophy yes I am a traitor. Luckily you have a fraudulent and phony worldview that has nothing to do with American Liberty. You have a Palin view of pro America vs anit American areas of America. You are even in possession of the concept of "freedom of thought".

You guys should be locked up. Enough is enough and I think that should mean and end to the Logan, Mike, Archer manchurian lies. Lock 'em up I say. Being uneducated is no crime but wanting to remain uneducated and ignorant as you are demonstrate constantly Logan is a crime in my value system. Unfortunately you have a fraudulent value system.

Warren your statement that a tax increase never results in defcit reduction is disproven by the facts of the last 16 years. Clinton put through what his opponents called the largest tax increase in history, several years later the deficit was not only ended but surpluses in the range of 200 or 300 billion were being booked and forseen for years in the future, sufficient to pay off the national debt. Then Bush came in and cut the taxes and increased the national debt from 5 trillion ot 10 trillion. People like Greenspan and McCain say that the Bush cuts were wrong and guys like Buffet say the rich should be taxed more. Again your statement is completely wrong. When Obama said "enough is enough" I think he was referring to not only all of the erroneous Bush policies but to misinformation like you present. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!