The "State", being a legal fiction is made up of natural born freemen who are elected into political offices which are again, legal fictions. Therefore, in order to have a a corrupt State, the legal fictions are the only ones who can be corrupt and so being they write the thousands of laws that make the freeman corrupt if he does not kowtow to the myraid of laws the corrupt fictions have created to control and pillage everyman of his rights and other property. A corrupt State has to begin with corrupt politicians.

Just remember, just as the crash and burn tactics of the last republican administration that got the legislation it did shoved down our throats, (the patriot act, the invasion of Iraq the most notable), the next crash and burn tactics of the current administration is going to get it's legislation shoved down our throats before the republicans regain the administration due to the crash and burn of this administration and here is where I say stop and pay attention. Does anybody in the know really believe that anybody not wanted in office will not be allowed to get elected and even if someone who may be good intentioned (Ron Paul?) gets in, he will get no where without the help of like minded members of government? Does anyone believe this crash and burn by this administration is not known to the elite puppet masters that run our government? To get the health care passed and whatever more power it can centralize with the time it has left before getting kicked out by the "other side" of the same coin? Business will go on as usual and we will probably be at "war" with Iran or some other disastrous event that will bring the patriot act into action. The whole purpose of this administration is the same as the last and the same as the one to come, CENTRALIZE POWER. The quetion remains as to how much they can grab before people say enough is enough and take back their rights. Hmmm...do the elite have this eventuality covered as well? and

We hold this truth to be self evident.

We hold this truth to be self evident.

Well said Mike!

People are nothing but human resources to be used up and tossed away by the corporate elite who are running the world through their perpetual money making debt machine that prints up and lends into circulation the principle but does not put into circulation the interest charged. Thus, perpetual debt that operates on new resources (people) being fed into the system.

J Carlton, wise words there. When people are in a high state of fear they are desparately looking for the cause of it and of course it will be the ringmasters who will take the first hit from the circus watchers when they realize they didn't get their money's worth.

The kind of loyalty we're seeing in Washington D.C. is the same kind you see from your old dog laying there lapping at your hand. To top it all off, those that fall in the catagory of lap dog actually believe no one sees it and they have everybody fooled.

Too bad that oathtakers don't take their oaths seriously snymore.

"The States are nations." Daniel Webster and "If the Union was formed by accession of States then the Union may be dissolved by the secession of States" Ibid

"But the indissoluble link of union between the people of the several States of this confederated nation is, after all, not in the RIGHT, but in the HEART. If the day should ever come (may Heaven avert it !) when the affections of the people of these States shall be alienated from each other, when the fraternal spirit shall give way to cold indifference, or collision of interests shall fester into hatred, the bonds of political association - will not long hold together parties no longer attracted by the magnetism of conciliated interests and kindly sympathies ; and far better will it be for the people of the disunited States to part in friendship with each other than to be held together by constraint. Then will be the time for reverting to the precedents which occurred at the formation and adoption of the Constitution, to form again a more perfect Union, by dissolving that which could no longer bind, and to leave the separated parts to be reunited by the law of political gravitation to the center." John Quincy Adams.

I understand this to mean rather than shed the blood of those who were once our friends, neighbors and countrymen, the allowance of seccation was with the idea in mind that the union, in time, would be able to discuss the differences that led to succesion in the first place and hopefully things could be worked out. Even if not, the succesionists were still our neigbors and the prospect of fixing things between the 2 sides would always be open as it would not be if the blood of our neighbors was shed.

With 3 days to read the bill it would have to be a big lie that was voted on because there was no time to pick out the truth in it. The big lie was the American people will benifit from passing this bill. When they shoved it down our throats how could we know what we were swallowing with no time to chew it and a chance to taste it. At least then we'd have a chance to spit it out if it didn't taste right. Nope, we just swallowed the big lie and that's all that mattered. Now we have to challenge the process and the facts in their system (legal) and that's the biggest joke of all. That's like asking the doctor who gave you a disease to operate on you to get rid of it.....The madness continues and the worst of it is yet to come.

And arrogant, let's not forget arrogant.

A foot in the door, or should I say a leg and a hand as well.

RBESRQ. It's a good thing you believe liberty is just a matter of opinion because opinions are like a**holes in that everbody has one. Strange though that you would say liberty is absolute. Seems to me that this description is not a matter of opinion but an absolute fact. Trying to have it both ways?

RBESRQ. It is NOT a matter of opinion when there are thousands of laws telling you just what liberty (freedom) you have and what liberty you do not have. How can you espouse this, your opinion, when you know very well it is not true?

Our nation is very sick to say the least but as long as freedom burns in the hearts of men, the cure is always there for us to rely on.

Put simply, this quote is speaking about legalized plunder. See 'The Law' by Frederick Bastiat.

I give it 4 stars for the end result in that everyone should have the right to say anything they want but shy from giving it 5 because it presumes rights are 'granted' but did not clarify who or what the granter is.

The rot is so apparent in our country it's easy to see the collapse soon to come. It is this collapse that those who wrote the Patriot Act are counting on to exercise the full power of that Act.

5 stars. The quote speaks for itself.

"The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks." Lord Acton

We hold this truth to be self evident.

A foot in the door is the tactic they use in all cases. Some control eventually leads to total control. A trojan horse in every case.