Gunny, its a reference to the justifying the means after the fact. I see a connection between the way the history of the civil war was written to justify northern aggression, as well as Pelosi and her bizarre comment about health care...to the quote above. Its a kind of thinking that hopes its real reasons are never discovered.( I'm not getting this said very well )

Gunny, I agree. Here's a thought for you though...Don't you think its strange that so many people will die before giving up their guns, but they don't seem to mind handing over their childrens minds...I don't think we should give the state either one.

While I see Lincoln and his administration as one of America's great lies...he was none the less an intelligent man. Yes absolutely we have been completely corrupted by the indoctrination system. It has bred several generations of self entitled whiners who like to point fingers and cry "it's not fair". (Kind of like Anon from Reston) Fact is, "fair" is a concept of children and communists and has no real application in the real world. We are now voting for a bunch of control freaks hell bent on making us all equal. Meaning equally poor and equally miserable and subservient.

The Lincoln version of the history of the Civil War was written on much the same basis. Another good example would be Pelosi's "We have to pass it to see what's in it" rationale. Complete and utter BS.

Krista, If we are to have any real change it has to start by completely shutting down the Fed and moving to a system of real currency. Then dissolve NATO and the UN. Then move on to the alphabet gangs...

Without a doubt, ethics, morality, family values, personal responsibility, adherence to our Founding Principles and any kind of nobility whatsoever are being brainwashed right out of our society. Even our "Dept. of Public Education" feels it is their responsibility to take our children from crayons to condoms. We have become a very sick society, all in the name of the Nanny State.

Waffler I notice you paraphrase Lincoln's "by and for" speech and then call me ignorant. Yet any one who understands northern imperialism also understands that it was the south who was fighting for a government "by and for the people". Sorry, no points for you. A Republic of Sovereign Individuals in a limited government Republic is what our Founding Fathers gave us, and for damned good reason. Keep spinning "lil Communist", keep spinning the truth. It gives the rest of us a good supply of ammunition. :)

Krista, between Neo-Cons and Progressives, the White House needs a full on Fumigation. :)

And again Waffler perverts the truth. Who cares if Jamestown was practising Democracy while still loyal to the King. That was BEFORE the revolution and BEFORE our AMERICAN Constitution was written. You really are a piece of "communist" work Waffler. Nothing but twisted BS from you.

Oh Waffler, never forget the north was built on slave labor too. Never forget that Lincoln did not mention the slaves of the north in the emancipation proclamation. Nor do you mention that escaped slaves moving north were granted freedom only after serving a year in the Union Army...where they were used as cannon fodder... There you go again, perpetuating myths.

Waffler, a "Communist Republic" is a misuse of the term and you know it. Our Republic is a Republic of Sovereign (free) individuals as prescribed in our Constitution, and you know that too. Which makes your entire statement one of diversion and misdirection. A typical Alinsky tactic employed widely by..."communists".

Waffler your right about that last part. I looked up the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto and they look just like Amerika today. Restore the Republic. :)

Jim K, thank you for the endorsement. I have in fact been encouraged by more than a few associates to run for office. But my wife despises politicians (I don't blame her) and made it very clear that if I went down that road...I'd be going alone. In Liberty, JC

Ever tried arguing with a Liberal (Socialist)? They're incapable of complete thoughts and will defend their unfounded, illogical position as though it were Gospel. Sadly the average Conservative is just as well programmed to perpetuate a system that no longer works.

Joe is right. Democracy is merely mob rule which is why America was founded as a Republic of sovereign individuals responsible for themselves. Our "Democracy" has become a nanny state, bordering on a security police state. Which is compunded by the falsely named Federal Reserve's manipulation of our entire economy and personal wealth. End the Fed, Restore the Republic.

America's rapid demise can be attributed to the widely held misconception that our government is benevolent, it is not. What we are witnessing today is the election of the malevolent by the ignorant, as neither side of the aisle holds American values as moral or noble, and all the while the electorate is at the Mall.

"Thank got" Waffler? You must be a poster child for public edumakayshen. LOL Guess what my communist little friend...major Universities are giving preference to home schooled children because they've generally outpaced the the ritalin riddled curriculum of "public ejikayshen" :)

"Life is tough, it's tougher when you're stupid ~ John Wayne". - Since we can't rely on the Dept. of Education to actually teach, we must take responsibility on ourselves to teach and correct as part of raising our children. The State sure as hell won't do it.

MLK could speak those same words today and have them apply to all races. I think we have indeed achieved equality and then some...children of all races are being equally stupefied. Indoctrinated...not educated.

Waffler says ~ "Thank goodness for public education with its wide diversity of peoples",...Wide diversity of peoples eh? Hmmm have you seen how well the wide diversity of peoples is working out in the new ghettos and no go zones in Europe? Or how about all that wonderful Multi-Culturalism and the way it worked out in Yugoslavia? Sorry Mr. Twisted Liberal thinker...but the things you say have no basis in functional reality.

"correct authority...protect government" Waffler ever the communist advocate. At what point Waffler, do we shut down a CRIMINAL system? At what point do you stop Government in its tracks from taking everything you have? According to you, never! I guees we should all just acknowledge that we are government property to be fleeced like sheep. Or we could act like Americans and shut this petty tyranny down. Vote them all out!

If we all thought the same..we would be automotons...Yes we can, yes we can...

Bureacracy is another aspect of "work to rule" public service unions that, for the most poart, we could all do without. Most public service agencies should be privatized and under contract to actually perform.

This being the result of Teacher's Unions working to rule combined with policy handed down from on high dictating the content and standards that are to be achieved...or not achieved depending on your perception.

Archer...thank you for that. Carlin is one of my all time favorites.