Very interesting, not forgotten Archer, now that a blow is struck at the ROOT cause of oppression and socialism. The oppressors know very well, This knowledge is power to the people. Here again we three stand !! A tri-cord of commonsense ! On our Creator's behalf. Ascribing righteous to our God. In one accord with our Founding Fathers. The Truth will make you Free indeed.

If it were not for the Mighty arm of God and his guiding hands, desire upon the hearts of the individual free will of donation, the truth would be suppressed forever ! This I have seen up close and personal. Socialism saturates the religious organizations of America. Separation of church and state was of the first order in founding this nation upon Liberty for all ! Doubt is never sure of Liberty. One must be allowed to reckon it so, but first must be presented by way of Fact, based upon doctrine. Then God must be trusted for survival of a given association. It is very rare indeed, in the sea of socialism. Grace is never worked for. It is a gift of God. We receive Liberty by grace through faith. Firm reliance in Divine Providence. A foundation to stand upon. And Stand is the order of the day ! Stand fast in the Liberty wherewith God has made us Free. Apeleutheros Liberty. One of three key doctrines of Liberty. The tri cord of sound doctrine, or if you will, the mystery of 3. pondered by some, understood but by a very few. The last word in the OT, is curse. 39 books in the OT, 3 x 13 = 39. Freedom from the curse of the law. There are 13 doctrinal guide points of moral responsibility concerning the lending and barrowing of money to an individual at Liberty. As 13 controversies, God has in breaking of these conditions by those that lend money. Math and geometry show this commonsense very well. It is simplicity of Liberty. But very, very rarely ever shown to any congregation ! Preaching of Liberty is foolishness to them that perish. But to us that are saved by Liberty it is the power of God ! So be it. Unity of this knowledge does go forth. and will prosper in that, it is intended for. The word of God never returns void !

The fire of Liberty, a burning desire in the heart of the individual to set the poorest of all Free, this done from the middle and top, those that have something to sacrifice upon the alter of Liberty for all. Independence creates strength untold. Then the poor, know who to look up to, besides the state and fed !

The first blow, To stand strong, in ones resolve, to withhold support of the request. To Stand fast in the Liberty. For those who have lived this life, we know the ramifications of our actions, isolation, singled out by the Fed. It is a free choice, not to be made lightly. Money is the root. By force socialism was instituted. It is easier for the individual to commit to the cause, than with family in tow. Not everyone has the strength to rebel and stand strong. look around, the cost is high, when materialism is all people can see. Run fast and get ahead of the ball, before retirement, is the mentality socialism instills. It is a fleeting cause for the poor. That is why they cling to the welfare. No surety of hearth and home. For the poor the only surety of independence is the ability to work, and drive the rig till the wheels fall off. Barrowing dulls the hand of independence. In concert ( If ) the state and fed are not paid their tribute for hearth and home, then the unified blow is struck. Archer is right on point, the power is in the peoples hands. It takes guts !!

Hast thou faith, have it to thyself ! As a Responsible, moderate Individual ! Liberty under Grace. The word Grace means ( unmerited favor ). As also special Grace and mercy given to a God called teacher. As with Timothy and Titus's case of calling. Hidden in the shadings of the English word.

635 Old Testament Hebrew laws. Not the hearers of the law, but the doers of the law were justified. Lawyers then as they do now bend the law through private interpretation of the laws. Just as in dietary and moral laws, creating separation of peoples, God had in mind a fix, the old covenant, done away, the New covenant by OATH, purging the conscience from dead works. I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people. In this manner shall all know me, from the lest to the greatest. A World under Grace. Happy is he who condemneth not himself in that thing he alloweth. This statement made concerning dietary law, or if you will, dancing, smoking, drinking and playing cards. Hard shell religions would tell one otherwise. But we know at Liberty is just that. Therefore moderation is exercised under grace, of which our founding fathers embraced. Natural laws concerning reprobate mindsets, God does deal with. But by way of the individual. Never from the cackling of the back row. There is no respect of an unjust law. The choice is easy for a responsible Independent at Liberty.

Responsibility to ones own independence, a lesson not to long ago, looked forward to, but now, looked down upon by many young upstarts, and some not so young. Till they see a responsible independent receive favor. It works for some, others become contentious wanting only the handout !

" The cause of the poor and needy " This nation was started with the intent, that the poor and needy, have equal opportunity to an Independent life, free from oppression and tyranny. Right on Archer !! "Give me Liberty or give me death " Paying someone not to grow crops, for the sake of market manipulation. A Very sore subject in old farming families, to say the lest !

For I am not ( Ashamed ) of the Liberty with which God has made me Free. To many times I have seen grown men, turn from the truth, of right and wrong behavior. Moral crisis, never throw off, the responsibility of taking a stand, when put to the test. It is better to suffer for the good than to suffer for the bad. By this practice, the outcome will be a blessing in the long run. Lukewarm will not get the job done ! We know the " Amen's feelings on this matter.

Mr. Daniel Webster, puts the truth in an eloquent, to the point way. One must free the mind then the body. For those who have taken an OATH to covenant, the price is in the balance. Mr. Webster's interjection of God, adds great gravity to his " forcible right words." To some an OATH is more than just words. Lukewarm, half hearted won't get the job done !
Semper Fi, Now and Forever. With all thine Heart, Trust in God, the grantor of ( his ) Liberty and Freedom
@Me Again, let God sort out his own. I am not judged of Your action, nor you of mine, whether I drink, dance, smoke, or play cards !!!!! Has nothing to do with my Liberty ! Let your moderation be made known. I will do the same ! The Statement, is without a doubt absolutely true !
Semper Fi

The encroachment of socialistic control, not for the sake of safety, but, to subdue the independent sovereign, and their lack of, compliance with intrusive measures, laws, upon their independence. More and more within the past 30 years. Till finally the back bone of the nation broke, through greediness of gain, the banking industry, and the federal government at the helm of oppression. I was told years ago, " We are coming after you people ". ( Independent contractors ). Tyrants seem to always want what is not theirs, and will take by force if allowed. The " Middle man " wanting something for nothing. Sound business practice does not like a leach, or paying cuff money to the undeserving ! Cuts against the grain of commonsense ! " In this world " pertains to the people, wherever you are. Slavery is a universal language of oppression. Just as lying, cheating, and stealing of another's person and personal property. What do we do with all the poor and needy ? they say, but never wanting to return the individual to a free responsible state of being. Robing one, to give to another is never right, " The oppression of the poor makes a wise man mad ! Our enemy within the ranks of government, causing the policing of the world for profit, gobbling up what is left of natural resources, food stuffs, and the riches of wherever the independent's homeland may be. Makes me sick to think about it !! Social engineering, dumbing down of the population, creating discontent within the mass, for whatever purpose, in their deranged minds. Walter is not worth the breath, to engage in a civil conversation !!

To what form is awaits is the question. This life is short, through the door eternity lies, lets make the best of the day.

To follow a good conscience is not always pleasant. Choosing a path that is not based upon the bank account, but about that which is right and good. Examples have to be put forth, regardless of the outcome. Trust in the higher power, and seeking after that which good is, let the chips fall where they may. I find all things work together for good, to them who are the called according to God's purpose in grace. And it sure does not feel good all the time, in fact, just the opposite, made fun of, mocked, looked down upon. But to suffer for the sake of good, is better than suffering for the wrong one can do.

Abby speaks through experience, Front line ? An administrator, working for a University in Oregon, told me, in conversation, learning can be painful, at times ! But with Good intention, no doubt, this for the profit of Good. Amen.

Under, a no contact order, of the court, A plea of rescue comes forth, whether for physical or spiritual rescue, where does compliance stand ? Even though rescue has been performed many times. Should one withhold ? The court wishes to have the Rule. Where is my restraining order. ?!!! On my behalf ? seeing they, ( the court ) wish to intervene !!

Well said Archer, It is true Abby, to build upon conviction, is to build upon fact. To prove the existence of God's natural laws. Concept to Form, Ideas, words are the elements in which we build, the melding takes place to Form. An artistic expression. Art Like religion and science are of one nature. This is Homologoumenos conviction. Without controversy. Beliefs are not always conviction of fact. I can believe that God does not exist, but that does not make it so. The confidence of socialism draws the masses away from responsibility to themselves.

The aclu, preys upon the ignorance of the masses within the democratic process ! They are %@#%^, dung on the ground !
We are a Hybrid Free Republic, under siege ! not a democracy !
Semper Fi.

A very pointed statement concerning oppression ! It is inevitable, prophetic, the rise would come to our nation. Knee-jerk reactions without intermediaries. This can and is also a test of resolve, concerning an individual, seeking office of any type ! To avoid the knee-jerk reaction ! It is good to remember Desire tempered with experience, creates patience and hope within the individual !

Simply put, Convictions concerning political points of view, should be based upon fact ! ( Homologoumenos ) Without controversy, To declare openly by way of speaking out Freely, Such confession being the effect of deep convictions of Fact ! Truth by way of fact ! Much more can be expounded upon these lines of thought. Some cannot see the trees, because of the forest. The sting of truth, does hurt, and causes the ear and brain to itch !

A wise dog, is better than a compromising Cat, Any Day of the Week ! High " Dry Ground " [ our ] Tree of Liberty Stands Upon ! The turn of events between Rome and Muslims should be a great indicator species !! of their like mindedness to oppress rather than set Free at Liberty. A cat is not loyal, but only fears death. A dog can be loyal, it seeks to please or dominate. The beast of the field, are drawn to confidence !!

Thank you Jim !!! Choosing sides, Old Abe, A pretty smart man, knowing, the he had to put his trust somewhere. During those times, much blood and dispute where spilled over, knowledge, and who's book our children were taught from !! In the north, The Irish had flooded the north, seems potato's had not done well in the old country. Seats of influence, in a democracy can be had for tyranny sake ! As king Saul, some seek to find out things, doubt controls them. Lincoln, and his soothsayers, witchcraft, he chose ! Not long after his choice, he died ! He threw the, " Baby Liberty out with the bath water, and let the Stinking Cat in the house !! Does anyone remember that cats smother little babies. My Mother never had Cats in the house with babies around ! Cats are for outside ! It does seem ironic that witch " Crafting " is on the rise, running rampant ! ? Please, people cling to the tyrant, when he makes a statement of truth, as if he is their saviour. I think his Conscience, the guilt, and depression were a miserable death. I have met men, knowing the truth, and still turn away, for money sake ! And die a miserable death ! A thumbs down, for the fact, Abe new, and sided with doubt and soothsayers, rather than God and Liberty for all. Thank you," J Carlton " !!

There is knowledge, available, which represents the opportunity to take advantage of ( grace ) under Liberty. I will not state what it is ! Temptation presents itself to all, it is God's promise to show a way to escape, that tries the upright. There is no temptation taken you other than that which is common to man ! But God is Faithful who will not suffer you to be tempted above that you are able, but will with the temptation make a way to escape, that you are able to bear it ! God also has a heart ! But one must turn to God when bound, not as others who harden their heart as spoiled children wanting their way. We live in the dispensation of grace, of which there are 4 mentioned by Paul. We live in the " Dispensation of the fullness of times." The last one mentioned .

The quote is on point, common sense. Every one on board is held responsible for each others lives, all on board are taught from an early age to take the helm, read the sky and sea, lest one fall overboard and none return to rescue ! " And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by " Our ship of state !
This common sense makes best sense if you were raised on the water !

Thank you Mike, " If " is a big word. And also , " As is thought by some " History has shown us democracies turn tyrannical. The nature in which the words are framed are condescending concerning democracy. Aristotle changed his epistemology after Plato's death. Leaning to empiricism, theory, till proven by scientific investigation, posteriori position. Where as Plato, deductive from A PRIORI principles. From a religious stand point Plato would be of faith, Aristotle would stand in doubt till proven by experience and investigation, experiment. There is a great misconception concerning Christianity, " Things that are different are not the same ". There is a reason that the Catholic church along with Muslims who embrace Aristotle's point of view. It was never the intent of Christians who follow Paul's teaching of Liberty to convert the world. That comes by way of the great commission given to Peter. Which was put on hold, Acts 28:28. One being the bride, the other the groom. This is obscure fact, clouded by those who would preach democracy rather than Liberty by way of a representative republic. Nature teaches us that which is contrary to sound logic. A reprobate mindset is just that. Natural love is contrary to inordinate affection. The carnal mind is enmity with God, and is not subject to the laws of God. Such are the works of the flesh made evident. Which are contrary to good behavior. Do that which is right and you will have praise of the same. To remove God from the equation, sets the state as a god rather than man directed by God through conscience. Liberty for all, and as Paul states to his followers, maintain good works, let your moderation be known to all. God is not a respecter of persons and is able to recompense that deserved, according to the individuals behavior. " And I will put my law in their hearts." Democracies tend to sear their conscience to justify bad behavior for profit and lust of the flesh.

For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, you have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God ; and are become such as have need of milk, and not strong meat. Fro every one that useth milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Experience is our guide to understanding the absurd in life. Human solidarity is metaphysical. the " Form of the Good " is the way by which all others forms are realized. It is what gives truth to the things known and the power to know to the knower. The sun allows for sight, but sun is not sight, it is the cause of sight itself. As is the sun in the visible realm, the Form of Good is in the intelligible realm. Although the Good is not being, it is superior to it in rank and power. it is what provides for knowledge and truth. It is not only the cause of knowledge and truth, it is an object of knowledge. Justice, truth, equality, beauty and many others ultimately derive from the Form of Good. Natural philosophy is obscured by empirical activity. Science ( scientia ) is knowledge. Mr. Camus and his quote identify the source of art and the aim of life, at Liberty. To understand the absurd, allows for responsible behavior. this is found in every man and in the world. Truth seeks reality, as science and religion are one in nature. king David, a philosopher king, sought after that which Good is. And was persecuted for it. Tyranny brought about by greediness of gain, through enslaving of another, brings about the lose of ones liberty and freedom, of person and property ! Sight and sound strike A mutual corn of understanding. Natural laws of nature give light to the Form of Good. Understanding gives reason to man and his right to rebel.