I thouht conservatives liked private, that is invisible commerce. What gives Jimmy? As the arbiter of what is nonsense can you rule on the following. 1) Is the IRS a corporation? 2) If so does it matter where it was incorporated? 3) Was it incorporated in Puerto Rico? 4) IRS started in 1860-1861 when Puerto Rico was Spanish territory, does that matter? Would really appreciate your help? I am sorry you have no sense of humour today about Sr and my alluding to Jr. Lindbergh. You obviously don't know a joke when you see one, have you ever heard about jumping out of perfectly good airplane. All of these Congressional Investigation into "sinister" "trusts" are valid but the trusts are not intentionally sinister. Most business have corporate and trade secrets. Ever heard of the secret Coca-Cola formula, of course not I think you have never really heard of anything at all!

Some day Mike you might actually say what you mean by Natual Law, maybe you can start today by telling us what is th Natural Law of banking.

J obviously prefers Wall Street theives. What has he got worry up there in the land of good government and regs.

So the Federal Reserve is not so bad after all. At least it is not as bad as the Second US Bank. It may be psychological human nature to always criticize something that is perceived to be big and greater than the self (the ego). Banking has been criticized throughout the ages, rememer Shylock in the merchant of Venice? I would suggest that banking is the marvel of commerce and society, let us regulate, regulate and regulate.

So the individual now 535 members of Congress are each severally and as a group to issue paper money. How are they to do this, each walk around with billions of dollars and give it or issue it to their friends and family. What the hell is Jackson saying here, if not nothing at all. What the Constitution gives Congress is the will or power to do things, it does not limit its powers to delegate methinks, as long as it maintains OVRSIGHT and REGULATES. Lincoln did Jackson one better, Salmon P. Chase, Lincoln's Secretary of The Treasury related that when he showed the new currency to the President Lincoln thought he was going to have to sit in his office and personally sign every bill. If he could not delegate the signing power he would have spent his entire Presidency sitting at his desk signing dollar bills.

Bryan of Stuart, Fl. was correct earlier when he said we never learn from history. We are now exploring the middle ground between rampant banking and destruction of banking, now we will regulate, regulate, regulate. Banking for the People!

Wish the quote had a date. Exactly when was economics bankrupt? Did he mean the science or study of econmics is bankrupt or the currently existing economic environment at the time of his statement. Economics, the study and science, is an effort to understand how groups of people and individuals share and distribute their goods and services. Politics is the art or science of how people agree on policy to augment, or control their lives generally for their perceived best good. Politics and policy of course can and does deal with any all issues. There can be politics about policy effecting architecture, art, trash collection etcetera. Politics and policies effecting the creation and distribution of goods and services, economics, is as natual as falling off a log. I think this is a lousy quote!

Lindbergh created the so called Monetary Trust Investigation, while his congressionnal buddies were creating the Shipping Investigation, Brazilian Syndicate Investigatin etcetera. The Lindbergh's were obviously nuts, how else can you explain a son of his who would fly across the Atlantic and call himself "eagle". All business is "invisible" because in a free society "my business is my business". Adam Smith identified and named this the "invisible hand of economics". Can we have it both ways, that is admire the invisible hand one day and turn on it the next. The invisible hand good, the slight of hand not good!

Incoherent gibberish!

Corporations have no more legal power than do individuals. A corporation is simply a way to marshall many individuals and their wealth together for common action.

Sub rosa means in silence, secretly. Thus the call today for transparency. Wall Street has been moving in secrecy with this subprime fraud crap and the private sector by definition is secretive and private, "My business is my business". But it is interesting to read "Who owns America" and to know how we are controlled by private wealth just as much or more than by government. This is a good quote because while he seems not to have a solution he poses the problem well.

Why is it just governmental action? Those on this site who call another contributors comments nonsense or resort to invective, diatribe and lies are also attempting political repression in my view. There seems to be a cabal of individuals who try to "smack down" any view or opinion to which they disagree rather the discussing the issue. These individuals are more into name calling than discussion. I respectfully suggest that such an attitude is totally reprehensible to the idea of LIBERTY.

Sounds like bailout bill sweetners to me.

I thought it was issues like guns, abortion, and religion.

The fact that 5% of the folk have 90% of the wealth what purpose is government anyway. Why don't we just let them run things, and maybe they really do. They ran things in the slavery south and now in the illegal nation, nationwide.

Jim K your coment is why I call you a fascist, like there is only one view for you, dogmatism is a sign of fascism or a dictatorial mind. Have you nothing to say about the quote? You do not have to respond to me a be a gatekeeper like Archer. The White House is the peoples house, and choosing its occupant is in a sense putting our own values into the house governance. Why can you not understand that?

The Presidency is just a vehicle for the citizenry. Billions are spent for the right of the people or some group of the people to ascend to the throne.

Opinion is often not based on truth, fact or law and we are stuck with it anyway. That is the imperfection of democracy. I agree we are often ruled by the least common denominator, the rednecks, and who knows maybe someday the Palin crowd. I still prefer it to strong man or Natural Law dictated by who knows who.

I am a politician Logan, we all are, Aristophanes was right, don't you read very well. Man is essentially a social and political animal."

"The contemplative life is a most active life. It is not one of lonely contemplation, for man is, by nature, a social anima, essentially a social and political animal, which means that there could not be a "perfect life" lived in isolation" A quote on a lecture about Aristotle's philosophy which seems apropos to the above discussion and my assertion that we are all politicians.

I missed that sentence of Alston's about "opinion and not physical force" my apologies. I am with him on that sentence 100%. And Archer likes it also voila! Archer has thus arrived at being a democratically minded individual. Now I wonder what Mikes take on Alston is because Mike hates opinion and likes the absouteness of the dictatorship of Natural Law, enforced by who knows whom, over and above opinions of human beings.

We are all politicians as attested to by the millions of emails that hit Congress this week, some may be more amateurish than others, but still politians (those interested in policy) all. That is democracy at its best. Now if the stones will be removed (poll taxes, literacy etc) we may reach political nirvana yet. Archer still has ascerbic gate watcher tyrannical attitude I see. I can understand Jim K's desire to keep every one muzzled and under a stone also, fascist that he is. These folks obviously hate Freedom and Liberty and free expression wanting to keep everyone under a stone.

Bryan I looked up the Wilt Alston piece on lewrockwell.com. I was not impressed. Sites like that I think are just trying to be an alternative government, but a government just the same. Mr. Obama says he is going to make the DC Government cool again. I can't wait.

Obviously this is a pipe dream, lets move on. If it was a problem in Aristophanes day (450 BC) and it is still a problem today what does that tell us. Something that has existed for almost 2500 years since Ari and the historical records shows for milleniums prior to Ari is probably here to stay. We waste are breath complaining about it just like talking about the weather. Politics is a natural result of human competition and interaction. I do like going to the woods and getting away from it all but it "ain't" never going to stop, (I respectfully suggest we all love it, politics and politicians, that is why we are on this site,)

"Statesman, a politician of distinguished ability or influential in state affairs or policy." I think a statesman is simply a mature politician, like those in Congress now who are saying "quit pointing fingers" and get something done. There is a time for discussion and disagreement (politics) and a time for conclusion and agreement (statesmanship).