Good Logan real good! All I was saying and you seem to agree is that government in agriculture is not new. Thus the right wing never ending witch hunt is as usual just a fraud.

Governments have been involved in agriculture at least since Josephy in Egypt so you radicals who see a socialist bugaboo at the corner of every corn field need to really get a life. Government involvement in this sector of life is older than the hills. You guys are really sick in seeing this as some modern phenom.

We all pay for each others health care in every product we buy. Those companies who do best at cornering the market on their product can acheive sufficient profits to give their employees the best health care possible. Smaller companies can not compete and may loose good employees to the companies with better heath care. A universal program will take employer based health care away and should lower prices of product that includes the health care premium. And if everyone has to pay some premium (those who are now geting a free ride for instance) the health care industry should improve.

Archer the Wikepedia says that the Rockefeller Foundation sponsored a project that was headed up in Mexico and produced many solutions that helped agrbusiness not only in Mexico but throughout the world in the '40's thru '70's so that we seldom hear of starvation anymore from crop failure, just from war. This Green Revolution unfortunately has now led to the population revolution. If you don't know that "government" is involved in agri policy in this and in every country on this planet and has been since time immemorial, Archer, it is you that is naive. Have you never heard of the Egyptian Prime Minsiter Joseph - The Jew, and how he saved Egypt from starvation? (Archer I did not say the Rockefellers did it I said the Green Revolution did it. There you go knee jerking again.)

Is this quote saying "humanitarianism bad". God help us if we have come to that. I have been visitiing wonderful museums, parks, monuments placed there by wealthy individuals for no other person than to share with 'humanity". Can this quote be casting aspersions on humanitarianism? What the hell is going on here? PS: Have you ever met a conservative or Republican humanitarian?

Centalization springs from a basic human egotistical foible to control ones environment and in ever larger circles. I have been in churches which have signs that read "from our neighborhood to the world" just like the Muslims feel in their idea of jihad. Rome wants to be the centralized authority of the world as does Mecca.This feeling in the human breast is what caused the Genghis Khans etcetera to try to bring every thing under their control. And of course corporations with their mergers and acquistions know a little bit about centralization. There are benefits of course, so this is a difficult issue.

Government restrictions are set up to limit the tyranny of the few or of one over the many. Thus when hunters from opposite sides of a state killed too many deer and met in the middle and found all of the deer gone "government" stepped in and restricted the freedom of some for the benefit of all and in the end for the benefit of the few and even the benefit of the "one". It is a shallow one who cannot see his benefit as tied to others.

Yes but naive because it ignores the political reality. Politics requires a&! kissing and a "yes boss" mentality for many.

We are all worried about these things and when we come together in families, villages, counties, states and nations as committes etcetera we worry about these things. As far as food you should read about the Green Revolution started by the Rockefeller Foundation and the Mexican Government in the 1940's that saved Mexico and the world from starvation. Knee jerk folks that cannot get past the word government need to get a life. I thought it was corporations and Madison Avenue that tell us what to eat, buy, dress and how to live. Cavuto is a jerk.

True, Americans have been brain washed and have a knee jerk reaction to the word. In practice however we accept socialisms all of the time because they work to give us better lives. Look at the farmer cooperatives out in the countryside. Sewer systems are socialisms as well as any form of school public or private where folks come together to learn. Urban and suburban planning as to where the streets and malls etcetera should be are socialisms. A cooperative society is socialism. Grow up America and learn what socialism is (doing things together) but never accept TOTALITARIANSIM that is what is to be avoided.

I was told the Constitution was written by men appointed by "states" rather than people and we would be better off if we were run by Senators and Presidents who do not answer to the majority but to some kind of elitist state groups. I am sure that is what I was told.

Wilson was talking about the right wing of his day, and nothing has changed. The right wing now is trying to figure out how to get a hold of John McCain. Vote of the majority and free opinion I like that. The Republic enthusiasts believe that we started with an elitist few men and we should stay with government by an elitist few men. I disagree.

PS: I bought a prescription in Mexico the other day for $28. In ths US I pay $62. If that does not demonstrate American greed I don't know what does.

He is really on to something. We have to be idiots not to know that the rich get their money from the poor. People who complain about the poor, the social security receipients, welfare people, fail to realize that every penny they get goes into buying food, toilet paper etcetera which boosts the coffers of the manuafactures and the rich who own the Company Stock. Where would the rich be without us.

Words, words, words. Centralization is bad whether it is "governmnet" or one individual. A powerful capitalist can run rough shod over people just like a powerful government. The word communism at its core can be interpreted as community-ism. Some times community is better than one man rule regardless of how much money he has. .

Like statutes to liberty to reason, etcetera words can be a fetish also. Slogans and mantras that may have hidden meaning to some are a secret code. The now most prevalent example is the use of the word "republic" and the damnable, illogical, and I believe intentionally twisted and subversive construction, "The USA is a republic not a democracy". This phrase is a fetish that says absolutely nothing about government style in America nor does the word republic say anything about the style of governments in the rest of the world where they exist.

Hank Williams, Jr. said it best "my private life is my private life" but when friends and neighbors have stockpiles of explosives and other controlled substances I want to know about it. Tyranny does not just come from government. In fact a democratic government is the safeguard against the tyranny of a few with closely kept secrets.

"America shall be ruled from the middle" (Dwight David Eisenhower) and now we know what fringe guys like Mr. Browne never get anywhere. Why people complain about the infringement of these rights in the most outspoken, most armed, most church goingest nation, and most admired democracy on the planet (maybe in the whole universe) is beyond me. It has been upheld that The Bill of Rights do not override common sense. You have no absolute right to yell Fire! in a theatre. Shame on Mr. Browne for not knowing this childhood learned exception to absolutism. Thus his absolute argument is null and void.

Sounds like he is talking about taxpayers and their accountants conspiring against Uncle Sam.

Give me one example of the CIA acting like the Gestapo. DEA maybe but CIA, I dunno.

Way to go Robert. Maybe you and FDR are the only class acts on this site. Senators always address their opponents as "My dear friend form the state of ..... and he is my dear friend." They do this regardless of the party, or issue under discussion. The folks who make so much out of labels rather than listening to substance are driving public discussion in this country off a cliff.

This is great. Sounds like the anthem of Nazism.

Awfully simplistic. Editor maybe this is a reason longer quotes may be more desireable. Terrorism is the war of folks who cannot get their way at the ballot box. War by free people is generally less an option than it is in a strong man dictatorial society where the strong man must always show new "successes" to look good.

My thoughts exactly. That is why my argument with Logan about Senators and Presidents being appointed or elected by STATES rather than the PEOPLE is wrong. The solution to Nocks view is the state must be controlled by the people thus DEMOCRACY.

Glad to hear you have a kind word for the majority Logan. Isn't it amazing that Calhoun had such sentiment about banking and power 77 years before the Federal Reserve system? Seems to be that it is human nature to trust no one but self.