“Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments.”

Sillik, to emphasize a lie while speaking out of both sides of your mouth does not lend substance or otherwise credence to your frivolous / non-sensical word salad!  Please explain and give valid examples of your statement: "Any supernatural support for morals historically has resulted in immorality." By example but not by limitation — one of the "any"; "That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another" resulted in immorality. How has that caused immorality?  Another of the "any": "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;" How has that caused immorality?

Mike, Norwalk, Will Durant explained that ancient Greece's religion prove to be immoral.  Religion has the same common threads that lends reason to conclude that abandoning your own responsibility to the forces of the gods is living in the world of make believe, to make up your own irrelevant behavior as easily as the female makes up her face.

Religion is:a sacrosanct object of conscience (an ethic(s), a moral(s), a value (system) or an orientation of correctness / enlightenment) believed sufficiently conventional as to enable an attributable action. Religion is: “ real piety in practice, consisting in the performance of all known duties to ⋯ our fellow men.” (Bouviers Law Dictionary). No matter the claimed relationship to an extra human focus / experience / “god”, said reference is nothing more than a mere rationalizing transference of authority and dogma to religion (corporeal man is a religious being). Identifying a specific “god” is irrelevant to the subject matter of “religion”. “For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,” ( 1 Corinthians 8:5)

“⋯ Socialism is a religion. All we lack is a religious genius capable of uprooting outmoded religious practices and putting new ones in their place. We lack traditions and ritual. One day soon National Socialism will be the religion of all Germans. My Party is my church, and I believe I serve the Lord best if I do his will, and liberate my oppressed people from the fetters of slavery. That is my gospel.” (Joseph Goebbels Diary entry for October 16, 1928)

Sillik, so – by you agreeing with Will Durant and other word salad incoherent ramblings, you set forth that your socialist religion has proven to be immoral, abandons personal responsibility and your carnal gods exist solely by force in a make believe world. I say hmmm, your non-substantive circle logic continues.

AND Sillik, you reject developmental principles, artistic expressions of man's nobility, science and nature's law continually. It is religion that sets forth morals (morals are in fact, the basis of and begining definition of religion; historically explained by nature's law — developmental principles, artistic man's nobility and altruistic observations of science).

Mike Norwalk I believe religion may have initiated some notions of morals but did not have the principled foundation to follow through with their behavior requirements.  Scientific principles are required for full enactment of moral behavior.

Mike Norwalk wouldn't agree with me on at least one item. America is the greatest country in the world.  You can be what you are, and I call myself the Socialist and we both get away with it, where else could we accomplish this feat. Humbly I would have to agree with "Sharon" and  "Lewis" that "diversity and opportunity,", "freedom and freedom, let's keep it that way" makes America with ample evidence the greatest country in the world."

OK. I'll bite: How does Socialism guarantee freedom?  Your rights to freedom of speech and spiritual belief are protected by a REPUBLICAN form of government.  Socialism in fact regulates speech and criminalizes dissent.  Prove to me otherwise!

Alright Mr Archer, good to reach out to you again. I am simply going to say I am the Socialist, and you are free to speak, however, I am going to request you prove your speech content
 Surely you have to agree of the futility of uttering worthless utterances, there must be relevance. You have never been oppressed by the Socialist. I am the only Socialist you've made any contact. The strategy is simply as follows the Social person, hence the Socialist simply places emphasis and intellectual forces on what is true and the best of all possible conclusions and choices will sooner or later arrive. The Socialist will keep challenging the the traditional forces until the changes are finally arrived at. There is no need for violence just persistent and consistent challenging of the traditional forces, the truth will at some time emerge. In real Socialism there is no need for nuclear weapons, not even need for a pea shooter, the truth will reveal the need for no violence because the truth comforts all after much truthful foundational prerequisites.

Let's keep it simple.  I repeat, how does the Socialist guarantee freedom?

Sillik, I do agree with you that America (a guaranteed republican form of government) was to be / is the greatest country in the world. I do agree that within such republic you have every right to call yourself a Socialist and attempt to promulgate your religion. I'm glad you are here commenting. Our banter helps identify the slavery which is theocratic socialism, as is averse to the perfect law of liberty.