RBESRQ, thanks for the rant and though I agree with your assessment of solutions to the problem my deeper reservations about the monopoly money makers force me to point out the dangerous idea that continuing to play their game is just that, dangerous. If you might agree that that America should also print its own money to circulate without interest I would join your rant the breath of fresh air that it was as far as it went and the reason for my thanks. It's always, in one way or another, rewarding to hear your input.

It has always been about the control over the minds of men to harness the free spirit of man by channeling the power of it into false ideas that serve to make the many believe that exercising and exerting that individual power must be exercised the way the few tell them to through THEIR POWER (which is the individual's) to create law FORCING (free choice?) us to perform for only they know what is FOR OUR OWN GOOD in these troubled times. And this is all based on the false premise that we put them there for that purpose, to do things good for us when their real job was/is to uphold the natural rights (powers) of the individual protected by the Constitution according to the oath they took which would REALLY be good for us. Mike I agree! I am. Justin, exactly! All governments ABOVE men are means for control of the few over the many and as history has proved over and over again the few become corrupt with their power to the end result of enslaving the people the people for many propagated senseless reasons (by the few) let rule over their rights when they didn't before until the corrupt have enough power to FORCE the rule people ALLOWED to begin with. The two biggest lies in history are first there is no god and second because there is no god we need government of men over men.

As all Americans should accept our responsibility for allowing the thieves into a position that is supposed to be below us to one of above us. Choose your master because the only true one will not allow this to continue because his laws cannot be violated without devestating effect in both spiritual and physical nature and people are ignorantly sealing their own fate by continuing in their ignorance waiting for government to solve their problems. What a totally senseless society America has become.

Good bye America.

Agree J Carlton, he speaks of the pure essence of freedom of spirit, but I have discovered words fail to describe its beauty and majesty with the real justice it deserves. Abolutely glorious and even that sells it short.

They have already taxed the conscious in that the conscious carries the burden (damage) of detriment lies have loaded upon it. These burdens are far more dangerous than a physical tax in that it is the first tax that allows them to get away with the second.

If freedom is a thing of the spirit, which it is, then men must be free to choose.

When did self evident truths of rights and liberrties become presumed to exist? 5 stars for the first and second line but thumbs down for the last.

If criticized not on the actions, opinions, and judgments themselves but rather whether or not the same are constitutional or not is very healthy as it keeps the Constitution front and center as the central guide to form critical opinions upon. How many out there who either are for or against the decisions of today base their belief on the Constitution for what it says about the violation of the individual rights of men protected by it? How important would opinions and criticisms aired out be to a juror whose job on the jury is like the jobs of the judiciary? To provide iron clad assurance individual rights are not violated by the law, the application of it, or the potential violation of them by the judiciary. This is how the salutary effect is supposed to be exerted, by the well informed juror who has paid attention to the criticisms and with Constitution in hand reports for duty.

Spoken like an "arrogant" umpire. And what judges was he speaking of? Exclusively SCOTUS judges or any judge?

The due process one gets IF the case is allowed to go to jury is the courtroom process the judge wants to follow as they are no longer constitutional courts.

That ain't all they're eroding, not by a long shot.

Too bad those handing over our rights can't grasp this simple truth and the remifications of it.

Waffler, you should take your own advice.

Slavery was the emotional play on the people so to justify the war so to justify the gathering and centralizing of power by the federal government. States powers were abrogated and reconstruction by tyranny put the states in their place. Since then the states have lost power to the federal government as was the new master's perogative to take it. Since then everything that's been done in the name of what's good for the people has not. It's been for the good of those who are in power today.

Best hopes to solve the problem with the next election is exactly what our new political elite working for the international elite want and expect Americans to believe. Then the beat of the war drum will be for the next election. The "waiting" time is filled with more encroachments so "waiting" for an election will change nothing. Warburg said world government by consent or conquest. Waiting for a new election is giving consent. I don't say give up on the election but to do nothing but wait and hope in the meantime is giving consent with your silence. Every process of government that used to work in favor of the individual and his freedom is now used against him. You would have to elect God into office because he's the only single individual that would have the power to effectively do anything on his own. Either that or the next president would at least need the same power of God to single-handedly do anything. But wait, short of miracle power our President has the power of God to call forth through the Patriot Act. I would think the moral breakdown of American society and the resulting breakdown of their form of government might be considered a national emergency so why doesn't our President declare it and save our constitutional self governing form of government? Isn't that what most do today? Wait for the government to solve the problems, and as they can't (that would be to give up power), we blindly have faith that life will go on and at some stage our government will get it right so in the mean time we wait and try to hang on to the lifestyle accustomed to and pray the next election will do the trick. All this when the truth is that government IS the problem because it causes problems to justify its existence as THE problem solver. We have needy that our people feel need help thus social programs. Where did the needy come from? Open borders reveals a big part of that answer. Failure of government to do much about the massive influx justifies calling for the social programs better ensuring their job security. Crime up for the same reason, justification for more laws. The failure of the debt money system is adding to the lists of the needy and people cry out for government to do something and they are. Working harder than ever to fit you into their version of perfect world government while you think they're trying to fix things. People scoff at the idea of brainwashing and subliminal this and subliminal that and claim free thinker status and "intelligently" come up with what needs to be done to make this social program work better, reform this and adjust that, terms of office, reform the tax system and the list of solutions goes infinitely on. They still spout the over all "party" line and don't address the root problem. Until people see the problem of total control as the reality coming and RE-FORM themselves first and understand the reality that the "reality" that's been structured around them has been done solely for the purpose of control. Your anxieties and fears are played on by doing stuff (open borders and drug wars) to get the thoughtless emotional to hand over more power and this is the real control and the strongest grip on the minds of the people. They "feel" there is NO OTHER WAY but to do what government tells them they MUST do to make things better again. By sheer volume of distraction, illusion, propaganda and drama, people are kept in a state where all thoughts and actions are so directed to desperately keeping the control system running our clear thought processes are shut out and as the ignorance increases and desperate (there is no other choice) faith and reliance on our leaders as the ONLY way out, they willingly give their consent to be totally controlled and the first truth of Warburg's quote unveils itself. Consent, people manipulated into freely, out of fear, charging into the arms of their supposed savior big brother. Conquest can take many forms from usurped power to war waged with usurped power. The only way out of the situation we're in today is a reformation in the spirit of people and the freeing up of our thought processes constrained by the reality that has been built around us by men. That's when discovery of the solutions to solve our societal problems can be found in natural law constructions of order which when mimicked by man naturally give us a form of society that is compatible with both nature and man. This is the peaceful harmony in the world we are searching for and it is freedom of the individual that creates it. This is the TRUE reality kept hidden so that man's structured control system will stay in power over the minds of men. Unless people start thinking what they see is real isn't real but an idea of some men to control others nothing will change. Change is a constant fixture of time and man will wake up just by the fact that as control increases freedom disappears and eventually the truth of what happened to freedom becomes probable, possible and then certain fact. Facing that certain fact first is where reformation of the individual begins naturally. Help others see the TRUE reality of things and sit back and watch the show nature puts on when people act and live naturally and someone else doesn't want them to. Sure the violence will come with the chaos associated with it but this is a necessary process of nature to tear down the old and crumbling and replace it with the new. Just like men are trying to replace our crumbling government with world government. But since world government is an extension of the false reality it can only crumble too and nature will be there to reclaim its power over the earth and all that's on it. Sorry for the length but it must be said.

From silent encraochment to violent usurpations. Would the violence of 9/11 fall into the last catagory?

Archer, I forgot, Excellent debate.

Archer, right on and dead center to the issue the quote speaks of.

This quote is like a beautiful deep breath of fresh air. Energizing and inspiring.

Who cares who said it? Truth speaks for itself and stands on its own without the help of anyone or anything.

Herein is the crux of the matter. Our forefathers gave our administration a conscience to abide by based on the moral principles of nature. Our administration no longer has a conscience, only a feigned one to keep people thinking they are acting in their best interests.

Joe, Rochester, I share the sarcasm expressed in your post and just want to suggest one additon to it.....It's okay for government agents to enter your home without a warrant...if it makes the people of our country "feel" safer. There's a big difference between thinking you're safe and actually being safe. Keep shrugging all, keep shrugging.

The best thing anyone can do for our country is to return in spirit to the moral principles protected by our Constitution and then fight for them. Anything less will not work.

Waff, cars, horses and now helmets. Give it a rest will ya?