I see a self perceived victim in the attached look at chapter 1 of Joseph’s book. Atheists can be moral he says. I have no doubt, but how do they know? Tell me how does one define moral? Morality and “right and wrong” is whatever I say it is. Or maybe it is whatever you say it is (at least to you.) So there is no right and wrong if we disagree (as noted above in Archer's cat and mouse example.) With no base or no standard to judge from (no yardstick) it has no meaning. So what do we use as our yardstick? Maybe, as long as you don’t hurt someone? As long as you don’t infringe on other’s freedoms or rights? Says you? What if I disagree! Any atheist’s claim for morality lacks a foundation. They are seeing as the cat does…

Matthew 6:19 Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Sounds like Vic is in good company...