Wow... now the radical right is claiming that paying its workers is a tax... the disconnect from any form of reality based thinking on their part is unbelievable! Perhaps LP should try to live on minimum wage, there is not enough to even pay for basics such as a roof and food, say nothing of basic health care.

Gee, and I thought this was common knowledge...

LovetheUS shows that the Lewis quote has come true...

... and no one has ever claimed it is... this is just a weak attempt to cover up societial responsibility which is not the same as charity.

And Jefferson built his empire upon the backs of slave labor... slaves who got nothing to pass on to their children other than continued slavery. Those who are fiscally successful typically do so not just on the fruits of their own labors, but on the backs of both society and their underlings... and thus there is a societal debt that is owed and must be paid.

He is correct that most welfare is in the form of corporate welfare, but that is not a reason to turn our backs on the poor and disadvantaged of our society!

Thankfully King George (both III & W) are now behind us... jim k should remember that there are legal limits on this freedom, incitement to riot or to murder or to the violent overthrow of the government are all outside this freedom, and yet these are the forms that too much of the radical right's talk radio & TV take.

If you are in office, then it is a "we", and not accepting that is to not do anything about it more so than what language is used. Lets not forget that this man was very much a politician, as evidenced by how many folks he pulled the wool over their eyes!

And yet, all you need is one counter example to disprove this theory... and the counter examples abound. The entire experience of the 60s & 70s shows us that good educational systems will teach independent thought that stands in the face of the evil being perpetuated by our leaders. If there is a question to be asked, it is how did we fail in this process and end up "electing" (twice!) King George W & his court of jesters...

Freedom OF religion does not mean freedom FROM education, and today there already is freedom OF education, just not freedom FROM education... attend any school your parents choose, even do homeschooling, but that does not mean that it should be paid for by society when your parents choose a non-secular society provided education.

Mocking? Time to go back to school!

A true indictment of our countries parents! All in my family learned to read long before starting school, and continued to read for the joy not due to assignments from school. And to learn math, take music first, the connection has long since been proven.

Most 5yr olds today have spent tons of time in front of the TV and w/ peers already, they already have a very good exposure to "organized society" long before school starts. And their sugar addiction too is formed long before school is begun, that too is firmly upon the backs of their parents, not school.

and TV... and peers (some of whom have poor parents)... there are many experiences they have had in those 14 years besides school... and many blossom during those 14 years... the obvious & clearly intended implications of cause & effect here are bogus.

Just because some one succeeds out of homeschooling does not mean that was best for them or for society. In a real world we all need to know how to interact with others, both gifted and challenged, well behaved and not. This is not really germane to the decision of the value of home schooling for any one individual, or the problems of our public schools. The world is not black and white, it is technicolor.

All the more reason for these children to be socialized.

You get out of school no more than you and your parents and your local community put into it. There are many good schools that do teach one to think. That there are some that do not does not make them all bad. Nor does disagreement with the politics and world view of one person make the institutions they attend bad (lets recall, Yale & Harvard both had their hands in on King George W, yet he is not their fault... no, he belongs to those fools who would allow the power brokers to install him into control).

He speaks not of education, but rather of indoctrination. Education teaches one to think, to collect data and synthesize it into information. There can not be any such "common mind to delude" when all can do that synthesis.

Gee, all the guy said was that laws ought to be about how to address things that actually affect others, and not about victimless acts... given that laws are artifacts of society, it should not be unreasonable for them to be addressing making society better. Some times I think half the folks here can't read... all that most seemed to see in the above quote were the two words "welfare" and "sin"... stop, slow down, read all of the words and the breadth of their meaning.

One of my favorites. Sadly, I've also heard that "narrow mindedness helps to get out of tight places" which should get a zero in this forum.

Crazy ramblings of the paranoid trying to find order and patterns where there is only opportunistic self-interest of the greedy.

It is amazing how many people can not read... there is nothing in this quote that says that democracy destroys wealth... it says that you can't have democracy when you have a small set of rich power brokers... you know, like King George W & his Dick catered to while destroying the constitution...

A humorist going for a laugh is hardly valid insight. Indeed, TANSTAAFL holds here, single payer health care is not free, but that does not mean that it is wrong, bad, or more expensive than today's mess of a system... and perhaps it would be one way to move the costs from end of life to buy a couple extra months of pain to where it belongs, to bring/maintain health thru out the other 99+% of your life.

Right out of the play book of today's GOP, the champions of today's fascist corporate socialism, backed by an unhealthy dose of radical religious fanaticism.

It does not surprise me that weak minded folks would mistake compassion for other people as socialism... or assume that those who have real compassion are not themselves fiscally successful rather than full of the same self interest that those opposed to that compassion preach. I don't fault those weak minded individuals as much as I do their parents & society itself for not providing them with a good moral & ethical upbringing.