“A family member asked my wife, "Aren't you concerned about his (our son's) socialization with other kids?" My wife gave this response: "Go to your local middle school, junior high, or high school, walk down the hallways, and tell me which behavior you see that you think our son should emulate.”

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It sounds like typical home school rhetoric.

The Compulsory Education Law is nothing but an 18-year prison sentence so that the Liberal Education Establishment (LIEE) can maintain a MONOPOLY of indoctrinating our youth.

All kids are bad; My kid is one of the all kids above; Thus my kid is a bad kid also;

We homeschool our son. I'm reminded of one reason every time we visit a playground. Fletcher is well behaved, speaks English better than most adults and makes an effort to get along with everyone. Public school kids don't seem to value others much, but because he's not packed in with others like sardines every day, he values the company of others much more. I see the same difference between city dwellers and country folks. Like Mr Zysk, I don't see much from public school children which I would want Fletcher to emulate. Here's a great article by Lisa Russell about "socialization" which should be read by anyone who believes children need and can only get socialization skills through forced association with the pack. http://www.tnhomeed.com/LRSocial.html

I believe you are correct Bryan about country folk seeming friendlier. It is not an innate quality but simply because they are excited about seeing someone, anyone. Your son is friendly because he is thrilled to see other kids from whose company he may have felt deprived. Calling others the pack is kind of the impersonal mentality the Nazi's had toward large segments of population. You know strangers are just friends you have not met yet, they are not the pack anymore than your son is the pack to them.

All the more reason for these children to be socialized.

As far as I can tell, socialization is the primary function of schools these days, and preparing our youth to be self-sufficient individuals is hardly taught at all. Children need to be guided, no doubt, but it is a shame the amount of time being wasted in institutional environments. The children are merely being conditioned to being institutionalized. Waffler's conditioning is so deep he cannot even see outside of it -- today's government schooling resembles more the Nazi way. We homeschool our children, but they attended Montessori school in their earlier years -- if we could find another school like that for them now, I would be ageeable. We should be building skills in our children -- they need no help in socializing with others.

I suppose that Waffler is going to say that the Nazi's were for home schooling? The black hole of ignorance in your comment astounds me Waffler.

Don't put words in others mouth Warren. I said what I said, calling those down the street or across town the pack is the black hole of ignorance. What the hell do you think they then might call you and yours. If they are the pack to you then you are probably the pack to them. This type of group thinking is idiocy.

Funny, my reference to "the pack" wasn't intended derisively. It's just another synonym for group, but my point, concerning country folk Vs. city dwellers, was either missed or purposely ignored. My point was cause and effect, specifically that the chasm between their attitudes and actions are not innate but the result of the number of people with which they associate on a daily basis. The economic law of supply and demand and subjective nature of value works on all things scarce, including people. The greater the supply the less we value them and vice-versa. I'm not applying any moral judgment to that, just stating the fact. Value is determined by scarcity. Yes, my son values others, because he's not inundated with humanity every day. He also values himself more. Given the choice between that or having him grow up serried, as just another insignificant drop in the sea of humanity, I'll choose the former over the latter.

I like what you said above Bryan, very thoughtful. I heard a study on this issue concerning the issue of friendliness, social cohesion or just plain humanity if you will. A group of "researchers" went around the world to major cities and dropped a sheaf of papers on the ground in order to study which city had the best response in assisting the hapless person. The winner was New York City. NY beat out London, Moscow, Paris etc. I recall that Asia came in last. Of course I agree with you that in the country their would be no one to help. Thanks for saying you did not mean "pack" derisively. Looking down our noses at folk who are looking down their noses at us is not going to get us anywhere.

Though I'm not thrilled with the comparison, it has been my personal experience that the vast majority of children that have been home schooled are far more settled in who they are while also being better at interrelating to others.

Kids are not allowed to explore their world any more. They don't play outside without an adult until they drive for FEAR that something bad will happen. They are NEVER without the electronic leash where they might have to think for themselves.
Go to the park and you have organized play...go to a National Park and you must not pick up rocks, sticks or step off the trail, etc...so there is NO exploration there, only what they are told...not unlike in the classroom. It may sound like home-school rhetoric, but chat with a home-schooled child who is age 13 and then a public schooled child the same age...and the difference is remarkable...one is miles ahead of the other...guess which one.

Dumb..... That's what keeps the them and us going...

Seeing the decline, purposely induced by social engineering ! Made my parents mad as hell, but they were wise, seeing the federal governments intentions. Dumbing Down, only to rebuild, state worshiping worker, mentality.
Private schools, were and are the choice, as Homeschooling by well educated adults ! A classical education worth more than gold.